"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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take it from some one who went to an over crowded inner city school hang out with people who share your interest plain and simple you are who you hang with.
 

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Yes, he has. Please don't remind him of that failure. Last time he filled ten pages with whining. Don't feed the pinguin.
The irony of him not wanting to humiliate himself, but consistently posts in here humiliating himself.
 

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Actually, I don't think that's ironic. He can be himself on this forum, hiding behind his anonymity, so he can test out how he will be perceived and not be personally humiliated.

He's anxious about being humiliated in public by people he might see again (and again). Some social anxiety is acceptable, but he shows a disproportionate fear of failure and the consequences, so his 'risk management' is totally unable to decide whether a risk is real or imaginary. Plus he has severe coping mechanisms to avoid risk at all, which paralyse him socially. And he's lazy and wants shortcuts to get rid of his social awkwardness, without understanding that he has to walk the path to get to the destination.

A lost cause, really. I agree that he needs therapy, but I think he needs the right therapist.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. I’m impressed by your assessment
 

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And he's lazy and wants shortcuts to get rid of his social awkwardness, without understanding that he has to walk the path to get to the destination.
OP actually has a great deal of energy and resolve... He just devotes it desperately manufacturing rationalizations for NOT adopting more adaptive beliefs and behaviors
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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just looked her up. Found a LinkedIn. She still has her good looks (and is a Certified Medical Assistant)

Invite her out for coffee then, GM, and begin your seduction. Having someone with access to an RX pad in one's social orbit is always a benefit
 

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Invite her out for coffee then, GM, and begin your seduction. Having someone with access to an RX pad in one's social orbit is always a benefit
What I'm about to say isn't an excuse, merely a fact.

I live too far (And no, I don't mean 2 hour drive; I mean a several hour plane ride)
 

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What I'm about to say isn't an excuse, merely a fact.

I live too far (And no, I don't mean 2 hour drive; I mean a several hour plane ride)
You've still been presented with an opportunity to practice approaching, hombre.... PM her on Facebook with a message like: "Yo, honey. Next time your in town, contact me. We'll grab coffee"

Limiting beliefs are flatlining your prospects for success, faster than whatever Johnny Depp gave River Phoenix, that fateful night at The Viper Room
 

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You've still been presented with an opportunity to practice approaching, hombre.... PM her on Facebook with a message like: "Yo, honey. Next time your in town, contact me. We'll grab coffee"

Limiting beliefs are flatlining your prospects for success, faster than whatever Johnny Depp gave River Phoenix, that fateful night at The Viper Room
Stop training GM to be a simp.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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In the past, I would use pheromone. If you spray the right pheromone then it should attract women your way. You need to see women as your subjects who you are doing experiments on to see how they react to various pheromones. When women are part of your experiment, they are in your frame, they are under you because you are the man with the scientific white lab coat and you are trying out various sprays on them to see how they react to that.

However, I stopped using them since 2014 for personal reasons.
Folks say Elon Musk could become the world's first trillionaire (USD) if his robotaxis actually work - but I think anyone that truly cracked the pheromone code would become a multi-trillionaire. :eek: This would single-handedly destroy hypergamy.
 

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Only getting one pity dance at the high school dance was humiliating. I never should have gone.

I don't even want to elaborate on the humiliation at the college football games and the holiday party (the story is worse)
At least you had folks that went to your high school that you could dance with! :mad:
 

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Talk about Social Events. I'm attending my cousin's Wedding on Sunday. I'm just found $ 100 in my wallet to give to them as a wedding gift. Do you know how that $ 100 was in my wallet? Well I had it there since late September with the intent of potentially using that to visit an escort (ie ensure I have an option to visit one even though I choose not to go due to religious reasons). Now it's going to go there instead. If I didn't think about that, then the money would have gone somewhere else and I would have no wedding gift at all as it would be hard to withdraw $ 100 from my own account when you are broke.

However, if you know that was money that would have potentially put my soul at risk of damnation into some lustful vice (ie and potentially catching some demons which may have messed up my ability to do my job if a repeat of December/2014 happened again), and now I'm using it for a good purpsose, it actually feels great.

Hope I meet someone there too. Hey, I'm doing this for your @GoodMan32. If you are not going to do something (or have the opportunity to get out there), then I am. Hope this goes somewhere, in terms of meeting someone, rather then niceties and stuffing my guts with food and jetting out of there when it comes dance time.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Do you know how that $ 100 was in my wallet?
You don't live anywhere close to Toronto... It's thus improbable to infer that you've been patronizing Exotica
lately. Which does tend to leave a few spare bucks in a fellas pocket
 

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You don't live anywhere close to Toronto... It's thus improbable to infer that you've been patronizing Exotica
lately. Which does tend to leave a few spare bucks in a fellas pocket
I do not patronize anyone. I'm listening subscribing to this teen Christian lady:


I'm not fapping, looking at porn, or any lewd youtube video.

A New Sheriff has come to town to invoke law and order and chase the escorts and massage parlours away from this town.

Her name is Bella Dodd and she's invoking Christian martial law.

How can I even mentally think about visiting any escort while watching her videos?

(The Latina escorts go for $60.-$80, lots of them...but I am a Christian so they are not my type).
 
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Talk about Social Events. I'm attending my cousin's Wedding on Sunday.

Hope I meet someone there too. Hey, I'm doing this for your @GoodMan32. If you are not going to do something (or have the opportunity to get out there), then I am. Hope this goes somewhere, in terms of meeting someone, rather then niceties and stuffing my guts with food and jetting out of there when it comes dance time.
Cool. Let us know how it goes.

The last wedding I went to was two years ago. Went with girl friend. Didn’t end up meeting anyone.

The bride lady shook my hand and chatted with me. Ok no big deal. They usually go around and chat with all the guests. The interesting part was she didn’t immediately release my hand after shaking it. She held onto it for about 10 mins while talking with me. I didn’t know her or the wedding party at all.

TLDR: Showed up with FZ date and got IOI from obviously taken chick lol.
 

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I'm not fapping, looking at porn, or any lewd youtube video
Hope springs eternal. Maker Of Life willing, the pattern will continue, and by this time next week:

-The Zodiac Killer will finally be apprehended

-Russia's invasion of Ukraine will end

-Sports Illustrated and Victoria's Secret will leave the obese and trans models back in the late 10s where they belong
 

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Hope springs eternal. Maker Of Life willing, the pattern will continue, and by this time next week:

-The Zodiac Killer will finally be apprehended

-Russia's invasion of Ukraine will end

-Sports Illustrated and Victoria's Secret will leave the obese and trans models back in the late 10s where they belong
Her videos work.

Mom was just in allot of pain and could not sleep. We prayed and nothing happened (at that time). At that moment, I went back into watching porn (ie softcore). She's better now and she's sleeping. Should have waited a bit longer before falling into this again.

I'll still continue watching her videos. But my mother being in total pain and unable to sleep and looking like the way she did, just flipped a switch.
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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