"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
how to get my ex gf back
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Igetit!
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AGREED,but that's only part of the problem.Othello said:
Even though I've already said this a billion times,I'll say it again: The problem is that he's giving her relationship benefits WITHOUT the commitment.
This girl has no reason to want to get into a relationship with him because she's already getting everything she wants in a relationship NOW,while she's single.
The only difference between the way things are now and the way they'd be if they'd officially became a couple is that if she were to enter into a relationship with him,she'd be tied down.
She wouldn't be getting anything extra that she's not already getting.
It's just that the way things are now,she can come and go as she pleases.
More than likely,she'll just keep things the way they are until she meets a guy she wants to be in a relationship with,then this will be over with.
She's in COMPLETE CONTROL over this situation,and that's the way it'll stay until SBW decides to stand up and be a MAN.
His first post about this situation was on 11-25-09,a MONTH AND A HALF AGO,and nothing has changed,and it's not going to.
Even though he asked for advice back in November,this "madness" started 6 months prior to that,back in June.
So if thing haven't improved in 7 months,I don't know why they'd suddenly get better now,especially when all the advice everyone has given has yet to be applied.
SBW,you seemed to be upset with this girl over those "b!tchy" text messages she sent you the other night.
I don't know why,since YOU'RE THE ONE allowing all this foolishness to take place.
If you'd just be a man and refuse to be treated with anything LESS THAN dignity and respect,she'd either rise her behavior up to the level that she knows you find acceptable,or you'd have kicked her childishness and indecisiveness to the curb a long time ago.
To be honest,I don't know which one is worse:Her immature,infantile behavior,or you choosing to continue putting up with it.
When a girl strings a guy along like that,that means there's something wrong inside of HIM.
All this drama with a girl YOU'RE NOT EVEN DATING YET.
Yes,you're right about what I said. If (by some miracle) you did decide to put your pride and self-respect as a MAN ahead of this twisted,juvenile of a woman,she would throw a fit.
She'd go nuts;calling you,texting you,trying to use sex,whatever she could think of in order to get things back to the way they were when she had you as a backup,a spare tire,just something to pass the time until she met someone she does want to commit to.
She'd do all that,and you'd be deceived...again. You'd think that all that behavior from her meant that she FINALLY saw the light,and now she wants to date you.
So you'd go back,things would be ok for a few days,maybe a week or two,then she'd go right back to treating you like she does now.
Seems to me like you have oneitus. No man in his right mind would settle for being some chick's side show while she's waiting for the main attraction to come along.
I agree with those people who told you "good luck" with trying to sort this thing out.
Hopefully someone will chime in here and give you some sort of info that can help you out in this situation.
Igetit! said:
Not upset at all, more bemused and trying to get a handle on what drives her to these extremes.
Yes. However I've called her bluff and stood right up to her now, so I'll see if that brings any significant change. If not, I won't waste any more sleep on her. Some of her later texts were pretty much berating me for keeping my self-respect. Hmmm....!
Well, I came from a place of genuine affection and tolerance for her and her situation, so I don't think that was wrong in itself? I certainly went about it all the wrong way though.
Not oneitis, I got through that one a very long time ago but it is true I decided I'd try harder and longer with her, for a number of reasons.
Many thanks for your insight and advice here - I've learned a lot and will continue to learn, both about this situation and for myself in general. Whatever happens next, I owe this board a lot for opening my eyes to quite a number of things - about myself and women in general.
Accension
Senior Don Juan
A relationship is -- like a pool.
The water can be clear, dirty, hot, cold -- but if your pool is filled with piss or the cu/\/\ of another guy, don't-even-bother.
Find a fresh pool to get wet in.
Also interesting to observe that when she left me to go see her boss briefly, she returned with her hair and makeup redone perfectly and I doubt it was done for him (scruffy guy).
Only trouble with her is that she is on contract and her job involves working away for long periods, so anything there could be very stop-start. Which is actually one of the reasons I didn't ask her out a good couple of years ago, when I felt I got a lot of interest from her when we worked together that time. The other was she was apparently still involved with a guy who was posted to NY for five years.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
With a text saying she needs me to urgently sort out something for her and her boy.
Since my last post, I went out on Friday night and went to a music bar I don't often visit, where I met a chap I knew some years ago but don't see very much of now. Anyway, after chatting to him for a while, I got talking to a lady in his group of friends and she accepted my invitation to come and see a band in another bar with me, where we had a pleasant enough evening that was observed by two people who also go to one of the places my ex sings in. I got a kiss, her number and am going out again with her in a fortnight.
The next night, I had a splendid evening with the lady I mentioned in post 102 and part way through the evening, one of ex's colleagues and her friends came into that gig. Again, she certainly saw us.
I took today to myself and spent it up amongst the snowy mountains. Very refreshing and great for helping you get perspective on important things again.
News travels fast - hmmm?
I don't intend to reply straight away but I should probably give her an answer before the end of tomorrow?
Bro, what you did was really lame and childish. Making a list is okay but showing it to your girl and expecting her to stick around is a great way to push her out of your life for good.
The lesson here is what's most important.
Igetit!
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You got the wrong dude man.
The guy who originally started this there is TESTSINNER,and he's been looong gone.
This is the same girl who you originally started posting in this thread about,the one you want to form a relationship with,but who's been keeps giving you the run-a-round for the past 7 months,right?SBW said:
Personally,I'd tell her to get lost,but that's just me.
Anyway,this is kinda what I figured what would happen. It's like I said,if you back off,TRUELY BACKOFF,then she'd go nuts trying to use whatever she could get her hands on you get you back tangled up in that neverending foolishness,but honestly,using her kid????
That's low dude. That's real low.
I can see using sex,but to go as far as using her kid to lure you back is kind of sick. And the crazy part is she's not even doing it to get back into a relationship with you,she's trying to get you back to being on "standby" mode. I don't even know what to say about that.
I guess you can reply whatever you want. I wouldn't have replied at all.
If you look at early threads, I'm just as curious as SBW about getting back with my EX.. Even thought of buying and ring and all that.
I fought tooth and nail to not give in to breaking NC though.. It's been over 4 months since we hugged goodbye after our 3 year LTR...
The funny thing is is that I don't even think about her other than a fleeting thought here and there. I've moved onto other chicks who now fill my brain. Any power my EX had over me is gone as I don't have any desire to be with her now that I've hung out with other chicks.
NC just plan fn works. SBW.. You really should open your eyes man, you're just causing yourself way to much fn pain man... It isn't worth it.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
caliente05
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Igetit! said:
Yes. You have been spot-on with everything so far. Uncanny, thanks.
Maybe low but she does know I get on really well with the boy and he has come on greatly since I've been around.
I'm not going to be willing to go back on standby this time though - She will get her attention fix, then I'll go back to limited NC untill she hopefully begins to get less hysterical and more even in her behaviour, or I'll be right off again. Either way, she will be seeing a lot less of me FTM.
And at this point, I'm also not decided if I'll even be wanting to see if this will play-out further. Depends on how my other options go.
Thanks - Yes it seems to be going great FTM.Weezy said:
She has a lot less power over me now, even compared to a month ago. Ignoring her hardly bothered me at all.
The challenge and her responses to my changes in behaviour are the most interesting things to me FTM.
Igetit!
Moderator
Watch.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Today, she started by texting me a dirty joke. So a few hours later, I sent her back an even dirtier one.
Then she sent a text asking me how I was, to which I replied "fine but busy"
Next I got a long text telling me how sad she's been and how this week has been very hard because it is also the anniversary of the death of one of her closest friends. To which I give a vaguely sympathetic - "Hope you remember the good things" type reply.
Then she drops the bombshell - and when it comes to finding reasons why I have go to see her, I must admit, this woman has found a good one. It appears we have both been exposed to a nasty and communicable illness!
Kailex
Master Don Juan
I don't know the poor woman but at we were sitting with her brother and his wife, so there is probably a genuine reason to at least be checked and eliminated?
2crudedudes
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Well, she said "anniversary" so its been at least a year. Wouldn't you have shown some symptoms by now?SBW said:
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.