How many of you guys over 40 have actually sign a prenup

[eli77]

Or know someone who has made their wives sign a prenup?

 

[Not Dead Yet]

I bring it up every time my GF brings up marriage, and she says she's amenable to signing one.

Why are you getting married?

 

[threeforfree]

I didn’t and it was a huge mistake. A $150k cash mistake.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Eli,
Yes under duress I was forced into marriage,I made up a Pre-Nuptial all formal even paid her award rates for watering the Garden,True!...When eventually it was used in Court the Judge threw it out but it was accepeted back as a Contract between us and saved me a great deal...Unless you want Children or in my case want them back again,marriage with or without the Pre-Nuptial is a fools game.

 

[corsica]

I think the big problem is that women want security since they know their beauty, their most powerful bargain, won't last forever. I'm taking about women close to their 30's.

Bringing up a prenup will show that you're not a fool and that you know nothing is 100% (like the relationship). She might look for a next fool.

Imagine someone bailing on your mom or sister.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

didn’t. wouldn’t. Stupid, I know.

 

[EyeBRollin]

If no kids and first marriage, don’t need. 2nd or (gasp) 3rd, 4th marriages you absolutely need an ironclad prenup.

 

[The Duke]

Just don't marry if you value your money and have more than she does. There are plenty of other girls out there. Find want that plays by your rules.

 

[Not Dead Yet]

You do know that she can go to a judge with a lawyer when you're getting divorced and then say she did it under pressure from him to get married, that it was coercion, like either you get the vaccine or you're resigning your job. And if you made more than her and the marriage has some time the judge can throw away the pre-nup

Google it, I read the best way is to have her signed every year, but good luck with that.

You do know that anyone can go to a judge and make whatever claim they want? It doesn't mean they're going to win.

Hire an attorney in your jurisdiction experienced with family law matters, ask them about the process and ask them the odds the prenup will be enforced if you follow the process.

In my jurisdiction if you follow the process the odds of a coercion claim working are virtually zero. If you have a big difference in net worth, then you may have to give her something that looks analogous to liquidated damages.

I've never heard anything about signing a prenup every year. Sounds unnecessary to me.

 

[RickTheToad]

Or know someone who has made their wives sign a prenup?

Or know someone who has made their wives sign a prenup?

I did a decade ago. Should I get married again, I'd do it again.

 

[RickTheToad]

You do know that she can go to a judge with a lawyer when you're getting divorced and then say she did it under pressure from him to get married, that it was coercion, like either you get the vaccine or you're resigning your job. And if you made more than her and the marriage has some time the judge can throw away the pre-nup

Google it, I read the best way is to have her signed every year, but good luck with that.

Just have it video'd during signature and initialization of each page. Hard to prove coersion in that regard.

 

[Snag87]

A prenup isn't as bulletproof as most guys think. A good divorce lawyer can make short work of one.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Good lawyers tend to get around many prenups. Don't think they are ironclad just because you have one.

They are thrown out almost 50% of the time in practice.

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[Snag87]

Good lawyers tend to get around many prenups. Don't think they are ironclad just because you have one.

They are thrown out almost 50% of the time in practice.

Prenup Power: Securing Love and Finances - Yang Law Offices

Enter the 'Prenup': An agreement signed before marriage, granting you both immense control. From sensitive topics to valuable assets

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I wouldn't bother. My advice for men is not to get married. If you do indeed take the plunge, no use attempting to protect yourself with ineffective methods such as prenups. Just accept the risks.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I wouldn't bother. My advice for men is not to get married. If you do indeed take the plunge, no use attempting to protect yourself with ineffective methods such as prenups. Just accept the risks.

Ironically the cost to defend against the prenup if a woman chooses to really press the issue could cost almost as much as what you'd lose and then you have a 50% chance of still losing it.

 

[logicallefty]

Prenups are good but agree that they aren’t 100% bullet proof. I have several other strategies for protecting my assets from my wife, should i ever need. First off, we do not have any joint accounts. Also, I hoard cash. I take out a little each week and hide it in one of several spots. If ever asked in court, “I blew it at the casino your honor. I will go to gambling rehab if you want”. Not much the Judge can do there other than send you to rehab. As for my other methods for asset protection on my 401k, etc., I have some text messages with my wife about that that i think would hold up in court to my favor. She has said, three separate times in text to me, that she doesn’t think she is entitled to my 401k, etc. and that my daughter should get it before her. She would have to explain why she said it more than once and then changed her mind. I do my own legal work and if we divorced i would not have a lawyer. In civil matters i can represent myself much better than a lawyer can. I would drag her through court and tire her out so hard on every tiny thing that she would eventually just let me get things my way because she would just want it over with. I love my wife but i know she doesn’t have even 10% of the mental stamina that i have in big stressful matters. She has even admitted that she wouldn’t be able to deal with me in a divorce and would just want it done quickly. I would exploit her weaknesses in my favor and she knows it. Hopefully I will never have to actually do this, but i have given it thought.

 

[Snag87]

Prenups are good but agree that they aren’t 100% bullet proof. I have several other strategies for protecting my assets from my wife, should i ever need. First off, we do not have any joint accounts. Also, I hoard cash. I take out a little each week and hide it in one of several spots. If ever asked in court, “I blew it at the casino your honor. I will go to gambling rehab if you want”. Not much the Judge can do there other than send you to rehab. As for my other methods for asset protection on my 401k, etc., I have some text messages with my wife about that that i think would hold up in court to my favor. She has said, three separate times in text to me, that she doesn’t think she is entitled to my 401k, etc. and that my daughter should get it before her. She would have to explain why she said it more than once and then changed her mind. I do my own legal work and if we divorced i would not have a lawyer. In civil matters i can represent myself much better than a lawyer can. I would drag her through court and tire her out so hard on every tiny thing that she would eventually just let me get things my way because she would just want it over with. I love my wife but i know she doesn’t have even 10% of the mental stamina that i have in big stressful matters. She has even admitted that she wouldn’t be able to deal with me in a divorce and would just want it done quickly. I would exploit her weaknesses in my favor and she knows it. Hopefully I will never have to actually do this, but i have given it thought.

As far as hoarding cash, I do the same, but knowing I'm losing value due to inflation is a cause for concern. Any ideas to counteract that?

 

[logicallefty]

As far as hoarding cash, I do the same, but knowing I'm losing value due to inflation is a cause for concern. Any ideas to counteract that?

No ideas for inflation specifically, but agree that’s definitely a CON to the cash hoarding method. Related note, I did lower the amount i put on my 401k each check until the markets get back to bullish. I also don't have anymore stocks in overnight positions, other than whats in the 401k.

 

[Brasidas]

My wife signed a premarital agreement (PMA). They are not as bulletproof as you think, but they are certainly better body armor. Do your own research about PMA's. I hired a female attorney known for representing women in a divorce who were married to relatively high net worth, high income men. I had her write the PMA. What she pointed out was insightful. She told me that main reasons PMA's get thrown out is that they were egregious at the time of signing. It may be egregious later on based on circumstances but it can't be egregious at the time of signing. 20 years later I'm in the middle of a divorce. It's not bullet proof but I'm much more protected than if I did not have one. Sounds horribly pragmatic, but before you get married, I would go to the NOLO online bookstore and read all their books on divorce. If I told you that buying a house had a 50% of loosing half its value, and you should by all the books you can about buying a house, I guarantee you that you'd buy all those books.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I was married for a very brief time, I don't talk about it much but she basically signed all her property into her sisters name then married me, I was a bit shocked there was no pre-nup on her end since she owned apartment complexes as well as a bunch of houses but once I found out I just called it off like a month later and we amicably parted ways with no cost to either of us.

I would say she out played me but her sister never signed the property back into her name when she asked for them back and now the sister is associated with HA and a bunch of other gangs, shortly after her affiliation began her then husband mysteriously hung himself in a closet at home, guy was a chemical engineer with a very lucrative job, I knew him well and I have a lot of thoughts about it but Jesus what a mess.

Very glad to not be associated with these people anymore, I could probably write a book about that time lol.

One thing I'll say, in Canada we have a legal system, not a justice system, meaning there are biases that exist within the system, statistically you stand a 65% chance of winning a court case of your a woman versus a man, a pre-nup would almost certainly hold up onto her favour and even if I would be awarded a minimal alimony or any sort of compensation, but vice versa id be over a pool of sharks with my financial life dangling in the balance.