"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How many dates without action before you eject?

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Been dating a girl I work with (did topic about her before). Known her 2 years, had some drama and up and down moments. I've been on 6 dates now, even on the first date she was being a pain in the ass and at the end of the night said 'I don't kiss on first dates'. After 6 dates the most we've done is kiss. I have a good time with her but she's very insecure and has been treated **** before.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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It varies, but my standards are not even a kiss on first date = eject, no sex by third date = eject.
 
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The answer to this question is "it's situational" and the way you should act in this situation, in my opinion, is stop giving her free drinks and more of your time (which is exactly what she wants) while she gives you not even a remote chance to ***** (which is exactly what you want at first).
 

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I reiterated to her I'm not trying to be her friend and backed off after no action on 6th. Her 'I was going to invite you over my house x day'. bla bla
 

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I reiterated to her I'm not trying to be her friend and backed off after no action on 6th. Her 'I was going to invite you over my house x day'. bla bla
Anything on her part to keep you on the hook OP. Playing with you must be fun like a cat does with a mouse before it dispatches it.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I reiterated to her I'm not trying to be her friend and backed off after no action on 6th. Her 'I was going to invite you over my house x day'. bla bla
Her covert response tells me she knows exactly how this game works and what the expectation is and doesn't want to comply. She has known you for 2 yrs, been on 6 dates and nothing but a kiss.........that's about 3 dates too many.

Just focus your attention on other girls, this one might come back around. Don't explain, just let her figure it out.
 

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2 of them wasn't exclusively us two, altho we spent most of the date 'day' together. But 4 together, alone. And yeah.. only ****ing kissing. Not good enough.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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The fact we know eachtother and work together I've given her some leeway. But I think it's becoming a piss take, all my friends think I should give it up.
 

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No kiss on first date is never a good sign. You are not escalating properly or she isnt attracted to you. I usually eject if there is no kiss after the second date and it has to be a kiss thats passionate and she has to be amazing. There are plenty of other women I could be spending my time with that want to kiss me. How passionate are your kisses? Is it full blown make out where she cant keep her hands off you or just a peck? Have you touched her in different areas of the body?

You guys have been friends for two years?! Most women would jump at the chance to "finally" bang him out if she was sexually interested. Sounds like she is using you until Chad comes along. I would pull back, dont ask her out on anymore dates, let her chase you, eventually fit her into your calendar one more time and escalate, grab a drink, go for sex, no dinner bs. If it doesnt happen, its never going to. Put her right back into friendzone and let the bish chase.
 

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No kiss on first date is never a good sign. You are not escalating properly or she isnt attracted to you. I usually eject if there is no kiss after the second date and it has to be a kiss thats passionate and she has to be amazing. There are plenty of other women I could be spending my time with that want to kiss me. How passionate are your kisses? Is it full blown make out where she cant keep her hands off you or just a peck? Have you touched her in different areas of the body?

You guys have been friends for two years?! Most women would jump at the chance to "finally" bang him out if she was sexually interested. Sounds like she is using you until Chad comes along. I would pull back, dont ask her out on anymore dates, let her chase you, eventually fit her into your calendar one more time and escalate, grab a drink, go for sex, no dinner bs. If it doesnt happen, its never going to. Put her right back into friendzone and let the bish chase.
Could of sworn I stated the same above.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Turn it around....Turn those tables...be the guy who won't put out.:p

SHOCKER:eek:
 

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Could of sworn I stated the same above.
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What? It feels good and it's part of bonding. I love a woman who knows how to kiss.
To me, it's similar to massages. They just aren't worth very much.

I've had girls who were licensed massage therapists give me a massage and it did nothing for me.
 

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While the first date kiss and third date sex rules are fine, they're pretty well accepted in the dating world, I wouldn't focus on just those. A woman might like you but you've failed to escalate properly. She will keep going on dates with you and sleep with you if keep escalating and break through any ASD. It's a mistake to say, well, it's the third date and she didn't have sex with me so I should next her! Look at her interest level. Look at her attraction to you. Most importantly, look at your own behavior! Escalate! Focus on her reaction to things, not the stats. You should be trying to play a woman like an instrument, not following a scripted plan and giving up when it doesn't just fall into place.

I actually messed up with my girlfriend by not escalating quickly enough. She told me later on when we were dating that she wasn't sure if I was even interested in her in that way. We didn't kiss until third date. Don't be me!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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