You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Forget books, forums, advice.. Just talk to women and practice the rest is a waste of time.SayWhat said:Than it's the fact that I'm too silent and my body language stinks of low self-esteem.
Books and material I must read on these subject?
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
It's weird, I feel some of my friends are better than me in some ways (more salary, more talkative). But I just started a new hobby (paramotoring), and I feel in some way (although I feel bad thinking this way that I'm better because I have a new thrilling hobby) it would be an advantage (I want to make clear I did not start this hobby because of having a better chance of p*ssy, I really want to do this because I love the thrill).Danger said:^^^^
Agree with eagle eyes. Tou are going to have to push past your comfort zone.
Are you the best of your friends at anything? In other words, are you ever a contextual alpha?
How is your confidence? Is it low? Do you feel inadequate compared to others?
For a man, 27 is a big milestone. You are entering your peak physical strength phase. Baseball players and other athletes tend to have their prime years in statistics during this age.SayWhat said:The main question is that I'm currently 27. I have a good physique and I want to know how long guys are considered good looking, from what age do they go 'down'?
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
dude, fvck off already. your post are giving everyone cancer.prison/con.net said:if you can get a student loan, 30k in a year, is possible if you go at it just right. anyone can get 24k if they'll start in may or Jan. If you start in August, you'll lose out on a potential 4k.
That kind of cash in your hand will go a LONG ways towards fixing your problem. If you don't have decent car (ie, 2k, private party, if you are careful) or at least a motorycle (warm weather state). GET one. Unless you live in NYC, being without wheels is a horrible handicap, in life in they US, period. Yes, it will cost you 2k per year, minimum, to maintain that car, insure it, drive it even a bit.
Next, get enough training/practice at karate that you can make money teaching it. This will take about a year and cost you 10k, for classes of 4 or fewer people, at least 4 hours per week. When you get that good, women are going to DIG you, I promise. MMA-grappling/judo, not so much, cause few women want to (or CAN) mix it up like that. they lack the strength, reach/leverage, weight, etc to be anything but hugely disadvantaged at such fighting and they instinctively know it. But the idea of SWIFTLY breaking a guy's knee, from out of his reach, yeah, they REALLY groove on that idea! You'll be just as much in demand as the lead guitarist of a popular local group, if not as much as the lead singer.
I have to agree that there is a subtle change after you hit 50. You can still get younger chicks, but there's no question you're on the downhill slide. It was this realization that brought me to SoSuave in the first place. But to answer the OP's question, if a man stays in shape, he should be able to go well into his late 40s while still being very attractive to younger women.bigneil said:As long as you keep earning more money, you can keep getting more successful until about age 50. At that point time takes its' toll and age offsets the increased wealth and power.
What entity is paying you to shill for "whole" and "organic" foods?bigneil said:For a man, 27 is a big milestone. You are entering your peak physical strength phase. Baseball players and other athletes tend to have their prime years in statistics during this age.
27 is also the age when women your age will start to seem old (they simultaneously will decide they want to date men their age after 10 years of choosing older men). They usually go from having long hair to having short hair at this age, tragically (see Olivia Newton John in Xanadu and then "Physical" (video) for an example).
In our top-down society (run by private, off-shore, central bankers who want to kill all young men - see WW1 and WW2), we are held back until age 21 and told we are old at age 22. In reality, 15 is when you are an adult IMO, 30 is when you are at your physical prime and you should live to be 150 (our bodies are designed to live that long, under optimal circumstances).
Never let anyone tell you that you are too old. A man is as old as he feels an a woman is as old as she looks.
You will need to reinvent yourself along the way in order to remain pertinent. Around age 35 you'll notice that the bar scene isn't much fun anymore because you are close to twice their age. You will also have to try harder and harder to remain lean. You will no doubt gain weight and have to lose it. It's not easy.
However, my best dating years were 41-44 so far.
Get a bodyfat scale and stay in shape. Eat a diet of whole foods and avoid GMO and fast food. Drink distilled water.
As long as you keep earning more money, you can keep getting more successful until about age 50. At that point time takes its' toll and age offsets the increased wealth and power. According to my 22 year old gf who I've casually dated for a year now, she says 45-55 are the prime years for men.
I want to fix the problem of course but how do I do it? Just throw myself out there and just talk? Even it would sound stupid?Danger said:First off, there is a lot of self-reflection here. This can be a strength or a weakness. It can be a strength if you use it to constantly try to improve upon what you notice. It can be a weakness if you let it keep you from doing anything.
Right now for you, it is a weakness. A MAJOR one. You are too worried what people think. Why do you feel you are weird? Why do you feel they would not like you? If they don't like you, they can go fvk themselves.
Ultimately there are two types of men, those who despair at problems, and those who commit to fixing them. You need to change to a person who looks at how to FIX the problem instead of letting it hold you back. There are no keys to achieving this other than your own ambition. Do you want to live this way forever?
Your life is yours and yours alone, rise up and live it.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Espi said:Op after reading through all of your posts I'm really starting to get the feeling that you think that there's some magical singular answer or formula to what ails you.
you seem to think that somebody on this forum is going to say or write something that's going to fix you.
There is no one right answer for secret formula or elixir that's going to cure you. Again, it's all in your mind. You can choose to think of yourself as a person of high self esteem or as a person of low self-esteem. You can choose to think of yourself as alpha or beta. You can choose to think of yourself as successful or failure. It takes work and it takes practice and it takes time and it takes repetition. Change will not happen overnight, and life will never be 100% perfect. The inherit nature of life is that people struggle. No matter who you are or where you come from or how much money you have or how alpha you fancy yourself, life is a daily *****. Those who exert the most effort and work the hardest to overcome the obstacles are usually the most satisfied but not necessarily the happiest. Because life in my opinion is incapable of being enjoyed 100% of the time. Just keep practicing and forget about the illusion of Easy Street. It doesn't exist.
On some level it's true I want that one magical answer, that one moment of epiphany were I would change my mindset for good. I've read my fair share of self-help books etc.Espi said:Op after reading through all of your posts I'm really starting to get the feeling that you think that there's some magical singular answer or formula to what ails you.
Tou seem to think that somebody on this forum is going to say or write something that's going to fix you.
There is no one right answer for secret formula or elixir that's going to cure you. Again, it's all in your mind. You can choose to think of yourself as a person of high self esteem or as a person of low self-esteem. You can choose to think of yourself as alpha or beta. You can choose to think of yourself as successful or failure. It takes work and it takes practice and it takes time and it takes repetition. Change will not happen overnight, and life will never be 100% perfect. The inherit nature of life is that people struggle. No matter who you are or where you come from or how much money you have or how alpha you fancy yourself, life is a daily *****. Those who exert the most effort and work the hardest to overcome the obstacles are usually the most satisfied but not necessarily the happiest. Because life in my opinion is incapable of being enjoyed 100% of the time. Just keep practicing and forget about the illusion of Easy Street. It doesn't exist.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.