picard
Master Don Juan
How do you guys negotiate for salary raise with your company?
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
how do you negotiate for salary raise?
- Thread starter picard
- Start date
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Shiftkey
Master Don Juan
I ask directly. If your performance is good and you've been with the company long enough, odds are they will grant your request based on that rather than how you ask.
dannowillbookem
Master Don Juan
use ****y and funny, be confident and smooth. if you need to, mention that youre may start looking otherwise. if they think that you wont leave, theres no reason to up your pay.
Marlimus
Senior Don Juan
Good lord, a 16 year old giving a grown man advice. What do you know bout the corporate world, boy?if you need to, mention that youre may start looking otherwise.
Picard, never indicate that you are looking around for another company unless your actually giving them your month's notice. Indicating that you might jump ship would make the management of any firm not want to promote you later on because you represent a risk. A recent study in the Academy of Management Journal concluded that it takes a minimum of $500.00 in advertising, retraining and transition costs to replace even the least of employees. The higher up the position of the person who quits, the higher the cost, so the Human Resource department would put a note on your company file if you indicate to your supervisor that you might leave. Unless you are at a sufficiently high managerial position such that they cannot afford to lose you, or you possess critical sensitive information, don't play that game.
As for asking for pay raise, WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO GET IT. In marketing you do not ask the customer if he would like to buy, you ask which credit card they would like to charge it to, as though it were the most natural thing in the world.
Shiftkey
Master Don Juan
This tactic has actually worked for me, but it's very risky. I don't recommend it unless it's some sh1tty job you won't miss anyway.dannowillbookem said:use ****y and funny, be confident and smooth. if you need to, mention that youre may start looking otherwise. if they think that you wont leave, theres no reason to up your pay.
Picard, weren't you looking for a job? How's that coming along?
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
LowPlainsDrifter
Senior Don Juan
You have to ask yourself for it first...
You need to honestly ask yourself if you deserve it.
"The Price of gas has gone up" or "I'm buying an HD TV and would like to be able to more easily afford the payments" don't really cut it.
Think like the owner of that business and ask yourself if:
- Your work output is consistently higher than that of your peers doing the
same job.
- You consistently go the extra mile
- You engage in very little or no personal emailing or web surfing at work
- You truly get along well with your boss and others in your department
- If you owned that particular business, would you grant yourself a raise?
I'm assuming that you're speaking of a pay boost that's "off schedule" relative to a normal annual review?
You need to honestly ask yourself if you deserve it.
"The Price of gas has gone up" or "I'm buying an HD TV and would like to be able to more easily afford the payments" don't really cut it.
Think like the owner of that business and ask yourself if:
- Your work output is consistently higher than that of your peers doing the
same job.
- You consistently go the extra mile
- You engage in very little or no personal emailing or web surfing at work
- You truly get along well with your boss and others in your department
- If you owned that particular business, would you grant yourself a raise?
I'm assuming that you're speaking of a pay boost that's "off schedule" relative to a normal annual review?
brucevangeorge
Banned
Why don't you observe how others in your department/company/similar company have done it? Could help for pointers and such.
dannowillbookem
Master Don Juan
haha i just realized that this isnt hs people. yeahhh that tactic worked well for my old busboy job but i take it back for corporate world.Marlimus said:Good lord, a 16 year old giving a grown man advice. What do you know bout the corporate world, boy?
GirlCrazy
Master Don Juan
You don't get what you don't ask for.
If you think you deserve a raise / promotion, then ask for it.
The only time I ever threatened to walk if I didn't get the promotion was when it was a respect issue. The boss was pissed, but he gave it to me with the spiel that "the next guy who threatens to walk, I'm just gonna let him walk" to which I replied "that's between you and the next guy". He made some hand gesture and said "You are now a senior software engineer, now get the fvck out of my office before I change my mind..."
If you think you deserve a raise / promotion, then ask for it.
The only time I ever threatened to walk if I didn't get the promotion was when it was a respect issue. The boss was pissed, but he gave it to me with the spiel that "the next guy who threatens to walk, I'm just gonna let him walk" to which I replied "that's between you and the next guy". He made some hand gesture and said "You are now a senior software engineer, now get the fvck out of my office before I change my mind..."
picard
Master Don Juan
I got new job. hurray ! I am on probation for 1month. however, other companies are asking me to jump ship. They will inteview me within 1-2weeks.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Skilla_Staz
Master Don Juan
Girl crazy. Chuck Norris Facts. Got to love them. (Your Signature)
As for the topic, bring up why you deserve one. Tell them all you've done for them. Make it pursuasive, and ordered. The more prepared you are for whatever they throw at you, the more likely you are to get it.
As for the topic, bring up why you deserve one. Tell them all you've done for them. Make it pursuasive, and ordered. The more prepared you are for whatever they throw at you, the more likely you are to get it.
GirlCrazy
Master Don Juan
Thanks. I'm still trying to figure out why it's funny. I printed out the top 100 Chuck facts, and the wife grabbed it and said "this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen." Only thing was that she read it all the way through, and every once in a while cackled like a hyena.Girl crazy. Chuck Norris Facts. Got to love them. (Your Signature)
Skilla_Staz
Master Don Juan
Yes, those are quite entertaining
Chuck Norris qualified for (some race) with a top speed of 324 miles per hour, without a car.
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Chuck Norris qualified for (some race) with a top speed of 324 miles per hour, without a car.
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