Are texts like "I really shouldn't be spending so much time hanging out with a girl I'm not dating" or "get back to me when you're sick of your boyfriend" effective for girls who want to hang out (but aren't really interested or have bfs)?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
How do you let a girl know you will not wait around for her?
- Thread starter Siragoos
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
PlayHer Man
Banned
By spinning plates and not waiting around for her.
Captain obvious. :yes:
Captain obvious. :yes:
VladPatton
Master Don Juan
You don't need to text her or explain to her jack shıt. You disappear when you're sick of her shıt and find something better. You show her you're not waiting around for her by actually not waiting around for her!
Do you mean:
How do you be impatient with her in such a stylish way as to push her into having sex with you?
How about saying explicitly what you're trying to say implicitly:
"Have sex with me or I'll leave you."
and the famous classic: "PLEASE HAVE SEX WITH ME."
The thing is, the lack of sex isn't the problem. You will eventually have sex with a girl. Its approaching relationships in this viewpoint of getting what you want or storming off. It ruins trust and hurries an otherwise natural progression.
People seem to believe its possible to get consistent, enjoyable sex outside of a relationship. A relationship, so the thinking goes, is just one way of two people coming together. It also happens, according to internet legend, that two people might just come together in a trustless, semi-meaningless, random fvck-session. Learning a set of skills from the internet helps you be king of these trustless fvck-trysts, so the legend has it.
This exists in men's minds but not in actual fact. People talk about wanting to be in a relationship or not wanting to be in a relationship, wanting to be a boyfriend or just dating, but the truth is you will barely ever get consistent pvssy outside of a relationship.
To a very large extent you don't have a choice: saying you want sex outside a relationship is like saying you won't do any work but you'll collect the paycheck.
The one or two times you get it outside of a relationship, is just that: one or two times. Occasionally it gets prolonged into a booty call. Its painful to watch so much hype created and willfully encouraged by a couple guys seeing other guys having an ONS here or there, and thinking stray-lays and fly-by-night missions are a golden unexplored niche of the dating world. Or even the New Paradigm of Dating. They aren't that at all. They're very much the Lost and Found Basket of the dating world.
Watching young guys trying for this 5% of stray pvssy, and watching them break the rules of trust and relationship-building to pursue this dream of stray lays, is like watching a generation of men be lied to that they can all be actors, musicians or English professors. The market won't support it.
You know, being chivalrous towards women does NOT have a lower success rate than cold approach + DJ aloofness (which is ~5-10%). It actually has a much higher success rate in my opinion (I'd say ~25-30%). Its just the anger and pain from one missed girl drives men so hard that they give up on it and turn to these methods.
But Chivalry has an added bonus: the dude didn't have to fake himself out that he doesn't care about it, so when he gets the candy, he's able to really enjoy it. Unlike us, the frightened moment when the mask of coolness drops and "oh I'm actually fvcking her now".... yeah.... when the surreal game of pretend coolness actually works... that's one challenging moment! end rant!
How do you be impatient with her in such a stylish way as to push her into having sex with you?
How about saying explicitly what you're trying to say implicitly:
"Have sex with me or I'll leave you."
and the famous classic: "PLEASE HAVE SEX WITH ME."
The thing is, the lack of sex isn't the problem. You will eventually have sex with a girl. Its approaching relationships in this viewpoint of getting what you want or storming off. It ruins trust and hurries an otherwise natural progression.
People seem to believe its possible to get consistent, enjoyable sex outside of a relationship. A relationship, so the thinking goes, is just one way of two people coming together. It also happens, according to internet legend, that two people might just come together in a trustless, semi-meaningless, random fvck-session. Learning a set of skills from the internet helps you be king of these trustless fvck-trysts, so the legend has it.
This exists in men's minds but not in actual fact. People talk about wanting to be in a relationship or not wanting to be in a relationship, wanting to be a boyfriend or just dating, but the truth is you will barely ever get consistent pvssy outside of a relationship.
To a very large extent you don't have a choice: saying you want sex outside a relationship is like saying you won't do any work but you'll collect the paycheck.
The one or two times you get it outside of a relationship, is just that: one or two times. Occasionally it gets prolonged into a booty call. Its painful to watch so much hype created and willfully encouraged by a couple guys seeing other guys having an ONS here or there, and thinking stray-lays and fly-by-night missions are a golden unexplored niche of the dating world. Or even the New Paradigm of Dating. They aren't that at all. They're very much the Lost and Found Basket of the dating world.
Watching young guys trying for this 5% of stray pvssy, and watching them break the rules of trust and relationship-building to pursue this dream of stray lays, is like watching a generation of men be lied to that they can all be actors, musicians or English professors. The market won't support it.
You know, being chivalrous towards women does NOT have a lower success rate than cold approach + DJ aloofness (which is ~5-10%). It actually has a much higher success rate in my opinion (I'd say ~25-30%). Its just the anger and pain from one missed girl drives men so hard that they give up on it and turn to these methods.
But Chivalry has an added bonus: the dude didn't have to fake himself out that he doesn't care about it, so when he gets the candy, he's able to really enjoy it. Unlike us, the frightened moment when the mask of coolness drops and "oh I'm actually fvcking her now".... yeah.... when the surreal game of pretend coolness actually works... that's one challenging moment! end rant!
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Skyline
Master Don Juan
You dont "let her know" by words, you do it by your actions.
Its simple, vlad, driggs, and player even already said it. Withdraw and or spin plates.
Its simple, vlad, driggs, and player even already said it. Withdraw and or spin plates.
Don't say anything.Siragoos said:
Or if you have to say something, take your time saying it.
And whatever it is you have to say be blase about it.
In short, stop caring. That's the most powerful message you can convey.
But only if you mean it.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
I totally disagree with that about stray lays (good term, that.) The thing with that is, you have to have tons of women on the stringer. If there are enough, you have good odds that one or more of them are going to be DTF with more or less coaxing at any given time. I've gone years between relationships and in fact I've had relatively few relationships altogether, but there are always women who are looking to screw.
That said, you have to work to keep your little black book healthy. Personally I always thought that was much less work and bull**** than relationships but everybody's experience is different.
That said, you have to work to keep your little black book healthy. Personally I always thought that was much less work and bull**** than relationships but everybody's experience is different.
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Drop her ass and spin more plates.
Case closed.
Case closed.
PlayHer Man
Banned
Ignore her and keep spinning plates.Siragoos said:
Its not as complex as you are making it. How do you "show" a restaurant you're not going to tolerate bad service? --> You LEAVE and go to another one.