oldmanofthesea
Master Don Juan
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Curious how you guys in LTRs or marriages handle this.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Because we bought it before we married, she could afford it and we had about the same amount of equity. Just made it cleaner to split the house and the mortgage in case our relationship didn't work out. She didn't own a house or apartment before we met, she lived with her mother and saved a lot of money. She moved into my apartment which I had a mortgage on and I kept 100% of it, so she took some of the other expenses and kept saving a lot. When we bought the house together it didn't impact her finances much, the money she used to save anyways is now used to pay her part of the mortgage.She sounds like a keeper... and low drama.
If you make much more than her, out of curiosity, why did you two decide to split the mortgage evenly 50/50?
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Things like this must be ironed out in the prenup. And correct, that is not an equitable split. If I make $100K and wifey makes $150K, she should be paying 50% more. Etch that in stone.She sounds like a keeper... and low drama.
If you make much more than her, out of curiosity, why did you two decide to split the mortgage evenly 50/50?
Yes. And that is why we have to get her interest level to 100%... to the point where she is pressing us for marriage. That is the most favorable negotiating position.@EyeBRollin I agree with you 100%, and the same the other way around. If I make 50% more, I should pay 50% more. Basically, everyone should feel the same amount of load that is proportioned to their income level. And I agree that this should all be ironed out in a pre-nup but many women respond poorly to those. They start playing this, "Gosh it sounds like you are talking about you vs me instead of us together," game, but you know who generally benefits from vagueness if a divorce ends up happening.
That’s exactly where I am with the girl I’ve been dating for a year now. She has been pushing to move in together and also to get married. But when that equitable split conversation comes up, she gets upset and that’s a huge red flag to me. So I tell her we can keep it how it is. The worst part for me is that I truly thinks she believes she wants what is fair and isn’t looking to live high on my money. But her actions say otherwise. And when someone believes they aren’t doing what they are actually doing, you can’t even have a conversation with them about it. It’s like arguing with a flat-earther. Oh well. On the plus side, I am making wise decisions about my own future.Yes. And that is why we have to get her interest level to 100%... to the point where she is pressing us for marriage. That is the most favorable negotiating position.
“We’re going to have an equitable split in our marriage.”
“But that doesn’t sound right.. I don’t want-“
“It’s cool then, let’s just keep our relationship the way it is.”
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
I hate how you can't REASON with women. It's so frustrating. They simply cannot SEE logic. It's so maddening, and makes me always throw my hands up in the air and say "I give up." It's like WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON!?That’s exactly where I am with the girl I’ve been dating for a year now. She has been pushing to move in together and also to get married. But when that equitable split conversation comes up, she gets upset and that’s a huge red flag to me. So I tell her we can keep it how it is. The worst part for me is that I truly thinks she believes she wants what is fair and isn’t looking to live high on my money. But her actions say otherwise. And when someone believes they aren’t doing what they are actually doing, you can’t even have a conversation with them about it. It’s like arguing with a flat-earther. Oh well. On the plus side, I am making wise decisions about my own future.
Additionally I pay everything related to the car, so in the big picture I pay more than her in the household. It has to be that way to afford the things we want. Would be kinda dumb to hold back on buying things because she can't pay exactly 50% of everything since she has a lower income.@Serenity That makes sense - especially given that you both could afford it and did it before the relationship. Makes things very simple.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
That's technically true, however, she does care about all the expensive things money can buy her though. Caring about money is your concern, making sure she always has some to spend.since she "didn't care about money" (classic statement from entitled women).