"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
How do you go about trying to date a "baby mama"
- Thread starter Jayness
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
HeyPachuco!
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
HeyPachuco!
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Productive - apologies.r0cky said:
jdollarthegreat
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katatonia said:
I don't think its all about sex all the time but I have to agree with this one. Don't get involved with it, its not a good look know what i'm sayin
if she is constantly talking about her 'baby daddy'. Red flag.
if she is openly admits to needing a father for her child. Red flag.
if she is trying to get you meet her child and spend time with the child right off the bat. Flag on the play.
if she says these words "me and my child are a package deal". Flag.
if she's always griping about how her 'baby daddy' doesn't take care of his child. Flag.
if she's always broke. Or asks you for money, or ask you to buy things for her kid. Flag.
if she ever ask you to babysit. Nuclear Red Flag. :nono: Eject immediately and don't look back.
Some other tips....
1. You are her vacation from the messed up life she's in. Keep it that way. You don't date vacations, and you don't go on them every day...you just enjoy them when you can.
2. You play the role of the swuave player with a heart of gold, but you don't get sucked into her life. The point of 1. is to take her out of her life, let her enjoy life like it was before she got knocked up.
3. You do not spend time with her child. I repeat, you do not spend time with her child. You do not grow attached, you do not think of 'being a family'. You especially don't do this inside of the first year or two of knowing her.
4. You will have other girls. She expects you to have other girls. She knows her market value is low, and if she's the only girl on your radar then your market value is lower than hers, instant power shift.
5. You will not become needy or clingy. Her children will always be ahead of you so becoming needy or clingy will be even worse than with a childless woman. It's the quickest way to ruin.
6. You will not see her on a regular basis. i.e. several times a week. You will put her in the rotation of once, maybe twice a week.
7. You will not take her out on expensive dates. You may take her to the movies or some applebees type place every now and then, but there should be at least a 3-1 or 4-1 ratio. For every 3 times she just comes over and "watches a movie" you MIGHT take her out on a real date.
These have been some of my lessons I have learned from experience. take what you find useful, discard the rest. Good luck.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
2crudedudes
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Really dude, you don't want to date her. You really should just bone her as much as you can/want, but never treat her like a girlfriend.
Women carry enough baggage in their lives. Single mothers carry this x10.
BlackJackal
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Oh this is simple, you DONT. It's not worth it man. Sex is cool but a real relationship with her and her kids will take away more than you expect to earn. Even if she is a good person, she messed up and is now at a disadvantage. Trust when I say she will eventually want you to step up to the plate if you wish to continue seeing her. It's called bait and switch.Jayness said:
Move along son and find a non single mother.
CarlitosWay
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
drewsg
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thiskatatonia said:
i've seen it a hundred times and personally got LJBF'd by this girl who's jealous ass baby daddy walkd back into the picture when he noticed i was hanging out with his ex
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.