backbreaker
Master Don Juan
fvck honesty
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Honesty is overrated
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
logicallefty
Moderator
lol A friend of mine who is an attorney always says "It's only dishonest when you give false information. Giving them only part of the information, so long as what you do give them is true, is still considered honesty".
Works pretty well for him in the courtroom. I see no problem in applying it to women also.
Works pretty well for him in the courtroom. I see no problem in applying it to women also.
MOTU
Master Don Juan
Perfect. Repped.logicallefty said:
Malcontent
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Isn't that the attitude of cheating wh0res though?
Boyfriend: Hey, I called you a few times last night and your phone kept going to voice mail. I thought you were coming over. I was worried. What happened?
H0r: Sorry babe. I ended up staying at my Mom's house last night. I should have let you know.
Truth: Mom is out of town and some dude came over there and rammed me on my childhood bed for hours. We did it every which way and he finished in my mouth. I should have let you know, but why the f--k would I volunteer that very pertinent info? After all, I'm a nasty cvnt and I will just keep deceiving you as long as possible.
Boyfriend: Hey, I called you a few times last night and your phone kept going to voice mail. I thought you were coming over. I was worried. What happened?
H0r: Sorry babe. I ended up staying at my Mom's house last night. I should have let you know.
Truth: Mom is out of town and some dude came over there and rammed me on my childhood bed for hours. We did it every which way and he finished in my mouth. I should have let you know, but why the f--k would I volunteer that very pertinent info? After all, I'm a nasty cvnt and I will just keep deceiving you as long as possible.
VladPatton
Master Don Juan
LOL, the man has a point!Malcontent said:
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
B
BeDJ
Guest
Uhhhh....
Stop making assumptions. A lot of times, I don't respond to texts or phone calls even though I am VERY interested. It happens. To draw up conclusions is simply stupidity. There will be a parade saying if a chick is interested in you, she will respond within 6.34256767 minutes and if she responds in 6.7 minutes, she has low interest. Take what you will, but if you are putting yourself out there and creating opportunities to meet new women, there aren't any rules to follow.
Stop making assumptions. A lot of times, I don't respond to texts or phone calls even though I am VERY interested. It happens. To draw up conclusions is simply stupidity. There will be a parade saying if a chick is interested in you, she will respond within 6.34256767 minutes and if she responds in 6.7 minutes, she has low interest. Take what you will, but if you are putting yourself out there and creating opportunities to meet new women, there aren't any rules to follow.
Scaramouche
Master Don Juan
Dear B squared,
"Honesty is overstated".....Very much so,use it on Women and you make a rod for your own back!
"Honesty is overstated".....Very much so,use it on Women and you make a rod for your own back!
In2theGame
Master Don Juan
What happened now BB? lolbackbreaker said:
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
That reminds me of the movie quote, "The truth? You CAN'T HANDLE the truth!"
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
VikingKing
Banned
I used to be really honest, I was raised that way. But people can and defintley will take advantage of it.
It's better to just give people very little information, or just lie. Or if they make a guess, just say "yeah" (as long as it's beneficial for you to confirm there guess)
We live in a cut throat, dog-eat-dog world.
It's better to just give people very little information, or just lie. Or if they make a guess, just say "yeah" (as long as it's beneficial for you to confirm there guess)
We live in a cut throat, dog-eat-dog world.
Kailex
Master Don Juan
This is like one of those Facebook statuses where it's just very vague and a desperate call for attention. Say it isn't so!
BB, you gotta let us know what's going on and why this topic. You can't just come in here and drop something like that and then peace out.
BB, you gotta let us know what's going on and why this topic. You can't just come in here and drop something like that and then peace out.
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
nothing to do with my wife whatsoever. a client
i would ask that you refrain from calling my wife a hor please in the future
nothing i can't handle. But it just reminds me how much bull**** our society is. "Be honest, communicate" bull**** bull**** bull****. tell people what they want to hear and make them feel good.
i would ask that you refrain from calling my wife a hor please in the future
nothing i can't handle. But it just reminds me how much bull**** our society is. "Be honest, communicate" bull**** bull**** bull****. tell people what they want to hear and make them feel good.
Bokanovsky
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I am fully convinced that backbreaker is bipolar. One day he writes something that might have as well been written by Beyonce (if you liked it then you should have put a ring on it...)Kailex said:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2149948&postcount=11
The next day he writes that "honesty is overrated". The guy needs a shrink, not this forum.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
VikingKing
Banned
Well how much money did you lose, or time did you waste? Can't be that bad.backbreaker said:
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
about a week
cordoncordon
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BB but let's be honest here. Now let me say I am not making any judgement one way or the other, because quite frankly I know nothing about your business. But reviews of your business online are very very poor and full of people who say you were less than honest with them.
Dare I say is this the pot calling the kettle black (17 Media)? No racist. I mean you have had entire threads written about your lack of honesty on another site. Again, not making a judgement, but this is......odd.
http://www.the-mainboard.com/index....s-a-con-artist-thread-yet.93745/#post-4800876
http://www.bbb.org/arkansas/business-reviews/web-design/black-17-media-in-little-rock-ar-90209549
http://www.yellowpages.com/nationwide/mip/black-17-media-inc-260649
Dare I say is this the pot calling the kettle black (17 Media)? No racist. I mean you have had entire threads written about your lack of honesty on another site. Again, not making a judgement, but this is......odd.
http://www.the-mainboard.com/index....s-a-con-artist-thread-yet.93745/#post-4800876
http://www.bbb.org/arkansas/business-reviews/web-design/black-17-media-in-little-rock-ar-90209549
http://www.yellowpages.com/nationwide/mip/black-17-media-inc-260649
SgtSplacker
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I never make claims to be honest to anyone. I feel that if your intentions are good then the means are justified. And that's the best thing you can do for the world.
The whole honestly thing gets abused too often, it really doesn't make sense to me if the result of the honesty in question is hurtful and benefits nobody. Not only that, but many times you simply do not know what is really going on in some cases. So opening your mouth might give an incorrect impression. And things heard from a third person tend to be taken for the truth and rarely thoughtfully considered.
I've seen this thing women like to do where they will say any hurtful thing they want to you then tell you it's because they are so brutally honest like as if that was a virtue.
Honesty without conscience is worthless...
The whole honestly thing gets abused too often, it really doesn't make sense to me if the result of the honesty in question is hurtful and benefits nobody. Not only that, but many times you simply do not know what is really going on in some cases. So opening your mouth might give an incorrect impression. And things heard from a third person tend to be taken for the truth and rarely thoughtfully considered.
I've seen this thing women like to do where they will say any hurtful thing they want to you then tell you it's because they are so brutally honest like as if that was a virtue.
Honesty without conscience is worthless...
I work in corporate america now. Honest people get metaphorically killed here. You need to read up on powertalk.backbreaker said:
http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.