"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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High-Value Men: do they live in emotional warzones?

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After reading, and rereading, a post, I felt the need to reflect on my own life experiences, viewing them through the lens the author provides. Whether the post was crafted as a piece of storytelling or drawn directly from real-life relationship patterns, I’ve seen many of these dynamics play out in the lives of people around me: friends, acquaintances, and even my own parents.



The Caveman Pattern
What I observed aligns closely with the article’s structure:

  1. The Selection Phase The woman identifies what she perceives as a “high-value man.” This value is subjective and usually based on her early experiences, what she saw growing up, particularly in her relationship with her father, and father-mother. She chooses someone who fits this internal blueprint. (This is what the post calls “choosing the caveman.”)
  2. The Nesting Phase Once she’s secured the man, she shifts to creating a life together: marriage, children, building a home, planning travels, maybe even starting a business together. (This is the building of “the cave” and her chosen safe space to raise a family.)
  3. The Devaluation Phase Once the home, the children, and the external life goals are in place, the man’s role often becomes reduced to that of a provider. She may start acting cold, nagging, or even hostile. It’s not necessarily new behavior, but it becomes much more pronounced. (At this point, her primal attraction fades. The mission is complete, and her subconscious desires shift. This is where hypergamy kicks in.)
  4. The Crossroads Two things may happen:
    • She might cheat with another “caveman,” seeking excitement or sexual novelty.(monkey-branching, divorce)
    • Or, if the man she’s with appears to have other options, or simply gives her reason to doubt, she might double down, try harder, and become more agreeable. (FOMO)


These patterns are widespread,even among couples that seem “stable.” I use that word loosely, because in many of these cases, stability is just an illusion. The relationship might last, but it’s driven by manipulation, emotional volatility, and fear, not love nor growth.

What I’ve also noticed is that many women who fall into these patterns tend to carry deep emotional wounds: unresolved childhood trauma, chaotic family dynamics, toxic friendships, insecurity, even borderline behavior. They often seem dependent on their chosen “caveman” for identity, control, or validation.



The more a relationship follows these patterns, the more likely it is to be filled with drama, disrespect, emotional games, and constant tension. So we can say those couples are driven by “cortisol addiction” or “trauma bonding”.These couples might have kids, they might build wealth, but they rarely grow as individuals, and their climate is always emotionally tense. Emotional maturity remains low. The whole relationship stays stuck in a cycle of childish behavior. This is why you will hear so many women talk bad of their current partners to their friends (or on social media) but soon after that, they will post picture of their recent marriage.



Now, with an open mind like we had for the entire explanation of those working patterns we know that modern culture has added new variables:

  • Feminist messaging that encourages women to devalue traditional partnerships.
  • Government systems that replace the “caveman” provider role.
  • Social media, which inflates a woman’s perceived value and gives her the illusion of endless better options. (not only an illusion really)
All of this makes the dynamics even more extreme when a woman finally meets a man she sees as truly high-value, by her own standards.



A Broader Perspective
That said, not all relationships are like this. Life isn’t black and white. There are healthy couples, men and women, who grew up with stable, respectful role models. These people often look for, and build, emotionally sound relationships based on mutual respect, not manipulation or fear.This is difficult to explain… Acknowledging these “caveman dynamics” doesn’t mean they apply to everyone. But understanding them invites reflection, especially for those who’ve been hurt, confused, or stuck in painful patterns.

Some relationships are built on survival. Others are built on growth.

It's not correct to say that we all function the same way. Based on our upbringing and our desire to live a life free of stress, we are naturally inclined to find comfort and wellbeing in certain types of relationships.

This means we need to be aware of a kind of "threshold", and that everything depends on how two people experience and want to grow within the relationship.

If your woman is a “cavewoman”, then doing what's described in the first post helps keep her "functional" in your cave.

But if you're not a caveman like she is, if you're a man of value, you have the option to find another woman who is less “cavewoman” and more suited to a less stressful relationship. One whose favorite dish isn’t “cortisol rice”, served daily.

That said, I’m looking forward to hearing what the other men here think, How your life experiences and of your friends, could actually recognize those patterns
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Yeah, high-value men are willing to be ruthless, even when it comes to their immediate families:

That means cutting out wives who's costs far outweigh their ROIs, and shipping waywayward kids off to boarding school on either the opposite side of the nation or overseas, the minute they start to reflect badly on the family image

This happened to our current President, Paris Hilton, Dakota Johnson, one of the CEO of Monster's kids, and lots of other folks who were born into 1%/1%-esque families, who made the mistake of crossing the high value men who sired THEM
 

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Yeah, high-value men are willing to be ruthless, even when it comes to their immediate families:

That means cutting out wives who's costs far outweigh their ROIs, and shipping waywayward kids off to boarding school on either the opposite side of the nation or overseas, the minute they start to reflect badly on the family image

This happened to our current President, Paris Hilton, Dakota Johnson, one of the CEO of Monster's kids, and lots of other folks who were born into 1%/1%-esque families, who made the mistake of crossing the high value men who sired THEM
‘He was a hard-headed man, he was brutally handsome
And she was terminally pretty
She held him up and he held her for ransom In the heart of the cold, cold city
He had a nasty reputation as a cruel dude They said he was ruthless, they said he was crude’
The Eagles. Life in the Fast Lane.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I think the 5 patterns mentioned are pretty common in most unions. The problem with a lot of women is they always want more. As soon as they get what they want then they want the next thing.

First it is casual dating, then its what are we, then its commitment, then its move in together, then its get married, then its buy a house, then its lets have kids. What comes next.........divorce does!

Once there is nothing left to accomplish she displays bad behavior in an attempt to make it the males fault so he will be the bad guy and end it.
 

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That means cutting out wives who's costs far outweigh their ROIs, and shipping waywayward kids off to boarding school on either the opposite side of the nation or overseas, the minute they start to reflect badly on the family image
I know a guy who did exactly this…makes about 4mil a year

- tossed ex wife, in a state where she basically got no alimony
-threw son into boarding school
-told his partners to eat **** and left a company he founded
-moved across country
-found a chick fifteen years younger
- spent three years with her and moved back where he started

-ivy educated
-athlete
- head of a major department
 

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I know a guy who did exactly this…makes about 4mil a year

- tossed ex wife, in a state where she basically got no alimony
-threw son into boarding school
-told his partners to eat **** and left a company he founded
-moved across country
-found a chick fifteen years younger
- spent three years with her and moved back where he started
Yep... Those who ain't interested in doing what's required to achieve their needs and desires(as this fella you mention clearly is) end up settling for table scraps. In what state did his ex get almost zero alimony?
 

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Yep... Those who ain't interested in doing what's required to achieve their needs and desires(as this fella you mention clearly is) end up settling for table scraps. In what state did his ex get almost zero alimony?
I don’t want to doz him. The premise was that the ex was able to have income imputed irrespective of her choice not to work, because she was a talented professional
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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she displays bad behavior in an attempt to make it the males fault so he will be the bad guy and end it.
True
Once there is nothing left to accomplish
Not always true. Women may also act this way even when they already have another man on their radar. They start saying things like "I don't feel loved anymore," etc. (personal experience).


The takeaway is: it's true that some may never feel fully satisfied—but not all women are like that.


Also, if this is true, it explains why you see so many men constantly trying hard, always coming up with something new, yet still failing.


In fact, many relationships involve men who are themselves “materialistic” and constantly want more. They can't stay still, and this constant change brings novelty, leaving no space to enjoy boredom.


That’s why you see many intelligent, stoic men alone.
But when you do see a stoic man in a relationship, you can bet that it’s a real one.
 

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@jhonny9546

Not always true. Women may also act this way even when they already have another man on their radar. They start saying things like "I don't feel loved anymore," etc. (personal experience).


We are in agreement there, I lumped cheating into her bad behavior. I've seen that before.
 
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