"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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that's why i said an average looking guy, not an average guy. an average looking guy who has rizz, style, social proof/preselection, wealth, status, etc can absolutely slay on dating apps if he has pics that showcase this. showing real (not fabricated) preselection alone can bump a 5/10 man to a 9/10 instantly.

my friend had a pic recently that showcased this, i can ask him for it if ya'll really want to see it, it was a pic of him laying down in the bow of a nice looking boat/yacht, wearing stylish and expensive clothes and sunglasses, with hot women in the edge frame you cannot fully see. he also seemed extremely relaxed and nonchalant, like he didn't give a fck about them. that picture alone creates incredible intrigue and preselection that will make women's gina tingle. yall understimate the power of photos like that.

maybe i can't make a comparison to how well a low-effort Chad would do in comparison, but i will maintain that the the qualities i mentioned are extremely powerful. but the sad reality is that Chads are far more likely to have all of those other traits anyway since being extraordinarily good looking generally causes the world to fall into your lap, so naturally they will show things like wealth and preselection in their photos anyway, but i don't think people are acknowledging all the invididual components that go into this.
Id be keen to see the pic mate, for sure. :up:
Pm it to me if you prefer.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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All of this dating app talk from guys who are afraid to step out and approach women in real life. :lol:
I was in a club last night and approached about 10 women. All mid. all the most decent looking chicks were already paired up with dudes in the place. :(:cry:

before that I’d had an app date at 8pm.
And another app date at 11pm at that club.
both women were subpar catfishers also so waste of time both. Meh.

Cold approaching don’t always work out either…
 

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I wasn't backpedaling I was making that point to show why this causes confusion. And I wouldn't say that a Chads photos will automatically be good no matter what, a Chad could take photos that are so bad that he would cease to be a Chad even if he was in the top 1% of looks.

The part people are missing in the case of these tinder experiments specifically is that they're getting the photos from POPULAR public places, they probably are literally googling "male model" or "male influencer", and using the first results, which basically guarantees the guy will be confident, popular, wealthy, nice clothes, social proof, and a plethora of professional photos to pick from which showcase all of these qualities...

I bet if someone did another tinder experiment where they sourced the photos of a Chad from somewhere obscure place like a 4chan thread where the guy was some autistic/anti social doomer/gooner weirdo, the results would be VERY different.
come on now.. don’t be tryna propose scenarios that will never ever happen. (Bolded bits)

It doesn’t matter the quality of Chads pics.
his cranio-facial features and good genetics are there to see regardless of it’s low quality dirty mirror selfie .chad knows what his selling points are and will display his value.

don’t be kiddin yo self.
hard coping here mate..
 

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come on now.. don’t be tryna propose scenarios that will never ever happen. (Bolded bits)

It doesn’t matter the quality of Chads pics.
his cranio-facial features and good genetics are there to see regardless of it’s low quality dirty mirror selfie .chad knows what his selling points are and will display his value.

don’t be kiddin yo self.
hard coping here mate..
A lot of the time it is just leanmaxxing, not genetics.

Going out drinking every night like you're doing, has I'm sure covered your features with several lbs of excess fat just in your face.

I think you need to MonkModemaxx for a few weeks.

(6'2" here, 31" waist, just been repping weighted pull ups +55lbs.)
 

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A lot of the time it is just leanmaxxing, not genetics.

Going out drinking every night like you're doing, has I'm sure covered your features with several lbs of excess fat just in your face.

I think you need to MonkModemaxx for a few weeks.

(6'2" here, 31" waist, just been repping weighted pull ups +55lbs.)
lol at the assumptions.

Last 4 months I’ve been celibate dude ..just back on the prowl 3 weeks ago :D
But yeah I’m feeling the nights out already for sure .that is correct re the boozing effects.
Not much tho …… yet !
 
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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@UK manc yoi have been inspiring me to look at fitness and gym tho so thanks.
Been tryna smash the swims at the 50m pool lately and getting ideas to take up Boxing. :up:

also tried to find a very funny viral fitness video I recalled from a few years back and post it up for ya
It was some Asian American dude (I think) doing the funniest insane circuit at a gym , mad push-ups and twists and **** , like super strength gymnastics using the machines ..it was gold :rofl: I he looked like a soldier maybe . Does it ring a bell?
I couldn’t find on google searches .
 

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A lot of the time it is just leanmaxxing, not genetics.
I missed that first read.
Now you are also coping hard ,..with poor FlexpertH.:lol:

it’s cranio-facials dude. Bone structure and skull. lean maxxing doesn’t change facial ratios .
 

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A lot of the time it is just leanmaxxing, not genetics.

Going out drinking every night like you're doing, has I'm sure covered your features with several lbs of excess fat just in your face.

I think you need to MonkModemaxx for a few weeks.

(6'2" here, 31" waist, just been repping weighted pull ups +55lbs.)
fair point

as an example, Brad Pitt at 1.8. m was 70kg in fight club. And that is really good form for a guy. Maybe add a couple more kgs of muscle you can not be more than 75kg at that height, and that only if you are super muscular

Being super lean is very important for improving your attractiveness

even girls, if she is 1.70 her ideal weight is somewhere between 50 and 58 kgs. Over 60 kg she starts being a bit fat and over 65kg she is fat

unless she is an athlete and has big muscles, but in the vast majority of cases that is not the case

you can go bigger, like Christian bale in American psycho or Batman begins, but that guy was full of muscles and never weighted more than 85kgs at 1.83. But you have to have a really healthy and train all the time
To keep that physique

but as an idea if you are for example 1.80 m and have more than 70kg, unless you are muscular, it means that you are going more and more on being fat

The vary vast majority of people we find hot, are also skinny / very in shape

Rarely we see people who are a bit overweight or overweight to be considered hot

maybe a guy going for the lumberjack style, bulky and a bit chubby but in shape. But I doubt this is something that will be appreciated on a big scale. Maybe in more rural / small cities type of settings
 
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come on now.. don’t be tryna propose scenarios that will never ever happen. (Bolded bits)

It doesn’t matter the quality of Chads pics.
his cranio-facial features and good genetics are there to see regardless of it’s low quality dirty mirror selfie .chad knows what his selling points are and will display his value.

don’t be kiddin yo self.
hard coping here mate..
go on 4chan bro you'll see autistic gooner chads posting pics asking why women dont swipe on him.
 

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go on 4chan bro you'll see autistic gooner chads posting pics asking why women dont swipe on him.
I’ve seen an example of such a type ‘Chudfishing the Doomers’ the video was called.
some dude living in his parents garage

Hard to believe but I’ll check it out.
But flex - these examples are the exception dude.
Outlier situations
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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fair point

as an example, Brad Pitt at 1.8. m was 70kg in fight club. And that is really good form for a guy. Maybe add a couple more kgs of muscle you can not be more than 75kg at that height, and that only if you are super muscular

Being super lean is very important for improving your attractiveness

even girls, if she is 1.70 her ideal weight is somewhere between 50 and 58 kgs. Over 60 kg she starts being a bit fat and over 65kg she is fat

unless she is an athlete and has big muscles, but in the vast majority of cases that is not the case

you can go bigger, like Christian bale in American psycho or Batman begins, but that guy was full of muscles and never weighted more than 85kgs at 1.83. But you have to have a really healthy and train all the time
To keep that physique

but as an idea if you are for example 1.80 m and have more than 70kg, unless you are muscular, it means that you are going more and more on being fat

The vary vast majority of people we find hot, are also skinny / very in shape

Rarely we see people who are a bit overweight or overweight to be considered hot

maybe a guy going for the lumberjack style, bulky and a bit chubby but in shape. But I doubt this is something that will be appreciated on a big scale. Maybe in more rural / small cities type of settings
that’s a very good analysis , well done. :up:
but for me manc, if I were to get leaner would it show in clothes ? And would I lose shoulders a bit ?
Not excuses . I’m currently swimming a lot to get fitter , more energy more toned and flexibility etc etc

I’d have to buy a whole new wardrobe also if leaner ..but that’d be good thing actually :lol:
 

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All of this dating app talk from guys who are afraid to step out and approach women in real life. :lol:
We have our differences on some things, but I will always agree with you that approaching in real life is far superior to online datng

Online dating always felt like eating fast food to me it may taste good at the time, but then you get the bubble guts after. Meeting women in person while it's not always filet mignon, the women tasted better and left me satisfied

I know it's not my best analogy, but you get the point
 

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that’s a very good analysis , well done. :up:
but for me manc, if I were to get leaner would it show in clothes ? And would I lose shoulders a bit ?
Not excuses . I’m currently swimming a lot to get fitter , more energy more toned and flexibility etc etc

I’d have to buy a whole new wardrobe also if leaner ..but that’d be good thing actually :lol:
You'd lose "size" but gain definition and vascularity.

You don't want your "size" just to be bodyfat, that's pointless.

It's mainly about your diet... nothing tastes as good as having a knuckle to shoulder permanently visible vein or two...

...and don't ever use the word "toned" !!
 
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