met a chick a week ago, went back and forth with the texts, she text me late one night(might have been a surprising booty call), I texted her back, we didnt meet up it was very late, called her on the phone that same late night and said its better she calls/texts me because her sked and has a kid is more complicated than mine and she lives 30 miles away. Next day I texted her and said how it was nice getting to know her better on the phone after the initial one hour I originally met her a week ago. So she hasn't texted/called me back in 2 days. any advice/opinions??
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Women are whimsical and change their minds from day today. The more effort you make, the quicker they lose interest. If she's interested, she'll get in touch. If she's not, then there's nothing you can do or say to change that.
I also think you're placing too much importance on her texting or calling within a certain time frame. If you start worrying after just 2 days without a text then it tells me you're too invested in her and need to chill out, do your own thing and give her space. A lot of guys fall at this hurdle because they start panicking after a few days without a text and then start chasing the woman, sending ultimatums, trying little mind tricks or alike, whereas if they just gave her some space she might get back to him a few days or weeks later.
In the early stages of dating most girls like to retain their independence. They need their own time and own friends, and any signs that a guy could infringe on that freedom will scare them off instantly.
I also think you're placing too much importance on her texting or calling within a certain time frame. If you start worrying after just 2 days without a text then it tells me you're too invested in her and need to chill out, do your own thing and give her space. A lot of guys fall at this hurdle because they start panicking after a few days without a text and then start chasing the woman, sending ultimatums, trying little mind tricks or alike, whereas if they just gave her some space she might get back to him a few days or weeks later.
In the early stages of dating most girls like to retain their independence. They need their own time and own friends, and any signs that a guy could infringe on that freedom will scare them off instantly.
Jariel said:
we havent been on a date yet...met her a week ago and she from my point of view booty texted me the other night that I was too late to respond to...she is a stripper as well....and its not that im too invested in her I just don't want to ruin the opportunity while its very ripe to shack up with her.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
"she is a stripper as well"
It took me 2 months before my stripper gf would reliably text me back (the point where we started going on real dates). It took 3 months before she would reliably show up for plans made in advance (versus texting me about "tonight"). By the 4th month she was like clockwork. Our last 4 plans she showed up at the exact minute, made up to 9 days in advance. But I still go NC between dates. Beautiful women need more space. They need to be free and come back to you on their own.
Note that in the last month, she has texted me first (on a given day) 12 times and I never texted her first once. Thus, I only respond.
Compare that to the first 15 texts where I initiated 14 of them.
It took me 2 months before my stripper gf would reliably text me back (the point where we started going on real dates). It took 3 months before she would reliably show up for plans made in advance (versus texting me about "tonight"). By the 4th month she was like clockwork. Our last 4 plans she showed up at the exact minute, made up to 9 days in advance. But I still go NC between dates. Beautiful women need more space. They need to be free and come back to you on their own.
Note that in the last month, she has texted me first (on a given day) 12 times and I never texted her first once. Thus, I only respond.
Compare that to the first 15 texts where I initiated 14 of them.
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sicsec, you're not paying any attention to the good advice given to you. It's like your computer only allows you to post, and not read.
Im taking the advice im just playing devils advocate with myself. I was kind of shocked how assertive this girl was and I was like in a holding pattern and didnt really make any overtrures. My gut instinct tells me the window of opportunity opened and closed!! thats how fast that happens and than I also know how quick she gave me her cell number, Im one of many over the last week or so. So I might be on the backburner as we speak or thrown in the trash..LOL!! I feel like her decision to get it on was on her sked not mine and she put it out there and I didnt close the deal.Johnnyventana said:
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sicsec, the big thing I have learned is that you can push them away with too much attention, but not giving them enough attention invariably makes them want you more. They may try to get you to give up your frame because they are used to being chased, but once they see you are different, they fall in line.
In other words, I wouldn't come on too strong right now. Don't do a 180. She's interested, don't make her second guess that by changing who you were to begin with.
In other words, I wouldn't come on too strong right now. Don't do a 180. She's interested, don't make her second guess that by changing who you were to begin with.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.