"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Help me get a good C+F reply guys,.,..

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Do you ever pick up chicks that aren't from the internet?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I actually don't have guys trying to pick me up all the time (although you're close with the emails). I've been told by drunken male friends that I am intimidating.
Completely ignore this. This is her way of trying subtly communicate to you that she thinks she's hot sh1t- there is a very good chance this is her way of saying "I'm so hot, guys won't approach me." I've often heard this from girls who are hot, but don't get approached because they have b1thy attitudes or aloof expressions, and want to project the reason as being "someone else's hang up" when the reality is almost surely that the cause is her own demeanor. I am sorry, but the fact of the matter is hot girls get approached, period. If they aren't getting approach often or at all, it's their attitude, not because they are "too good looking." Never buy into this "myth." Don't take that bait.

This isn't the same girl, is it?

The second comment is even more of an attempt to validate her first supposition. She's heard better pick up lines than that, she just liked it cuz it completely supplicated her. She's trying to DHV.

Keeping that scenario in mind, be careful not to validate this one. Be extra ****y with her.

The most creative try I've ever experienced though was this guy who told me that he wanted to start a cult and would I be willing to be the object of worship? I almost died laughing.
You: Wow, that's completely ironic. I'm actually starting a cult myself, but with me as the object of worship, and thought you might wanna join. In exchange for your undying devotion and servitude, you'll receive a monogrammed velvet robe, autographed 8x10 photos of me, and a travel-size altar w/candles, so you can even worship me on-the-go. You better hurry though, the openings are filling up pretty quickly."
 
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MotownMack said:
Completely ignore this. This is her way of trying subtly communicate to you that she thinks she's hot sh1t- there is a very good chance this is her way of saying "I'm so hot, guys won't approach me." I've often heard this from girls who are hot, but don't get approached because they have b1thy attitudes or aloof expressions, and want to project the reason as being "someone else's hang up" when the reality is almost surely that the cause is her own demeanor. I am sorry, but the fact of the matter is hot girls get approached, period. If they aren't getting approach often or at all, it's their attitude, not because they are "too good looking." Never buy into this "myth." Don't take that bait.

This isn't the same girl, is it?

The second comment is even more of an attempt to validate her first supposition. She's heard better pick up lines than that, she just liked it cuz it completely supplicated her. She's trying to DHV.

Keeping that scenario in mind, be careful not to validate this one. Be extra ****y with her.



You: Wow, that's completely ironic. I'm actually starting a cult myself, but with me as the object of worship, and thought you might wanna join. In exchange for your undying devotion and servitude, you'll receive a monogrammed velvet robe, autographed 8x10 photos of me, and a travel-size altar w/candles, so you can even worship me on-the-go. You better hurry though, the openings are filling up pretty quickly."

Holy crap dude, you are the master. All hail Motown Mack.

No it's not the same girl. Still waiting on that one.
 

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No it's not the same girl.
Ok, well then take special note that she's being a little incongruent here. What to make of that remains to be seen, but guys should watching for signs of being incongruent in females too.

On one hand, she's tried to down play your expectations of her, going with the "I'm not that hot" thing. She could actually be a little insecure about her looks.

On the other hand, she tried to convey to you that she doesn't get approached because she is intimidating. Now, I assume she meant looks for the most part, but she could have meant personality. Either one of two things is going on her: She is a little insecure and trying to DHV you by suggesting this, or she doesn't get approached as much as she thinks she should, and suggesting that it's some really unique attribute of hers that's keeping guys away (she's rationalizing with stuff like "people are intimidated by the beauty"
or "people are intimated by the way I speak my mind" etc).

It's impossible for us to say at this point, but what I can tell you is that her responses are directly correlated to her "impression" of you. You haven't met her. Her responses that resemble "humility" could quickly vanish once she meets you in person and decides she is now worth more than you are. Therefore, because this is an online situation, the best course of action in this case is to DHV and remain ****y.

What I've seen so far suggests to me that she is a little intimidate by you, but is not usually intimated by guys, so you want to put as much distance value-wise between the two of you as you can before you meet, so she is completely in the mode of "seeking your approval" before you ever meet IRL.

Sounds like you are doing pretty well so far. Be patient and not "too aggressive" and I bet she will be asking you to meet with the next 2 days.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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My Name is Nobody said:
She said


"You seem to have a picture that im this majorly gorgeous woman...i mean...i know Im attractive...but im not a supermodel...so dont have huge expectations, you never know...im short...i have "junk in the trunk" (menaing a big ass) small boobs...so i dunno what your looking for...but there u go... :) talk later hope you have a good day..."


What can I say to be funny and get the number close?

Thank guys!
"You let me be the judge of that."
 
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I can't believe it! the first girl still doesnt wanna give up the digits

"hmmmmm you are very adament on getting my number...which I dont understand, for all u know i could be a dude...hehe"

WTF?
 
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ACK! The C+F backfired.. She started busting on me for being too confident, then I asked her "would you prefer a man with confidence or no confidence"

and her reply

"obviously a man with confidence, but not tripping on his own ego...too bad you've ruled me out. oh well..."

Need your help guys what would you say?
 

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My Name is Nobody said:
"obviously a man with confidence, but not tripping on his own ego...too bad you've ruled me out. oh well..."

Need your help guys what would you say?
The girl you are chatting with is an attention wh0re who is eating you alive by leading you into a maze of circular logic.

Don't play her games. If she continue's to resist in giving you her number then NEXT her.
 

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Need your help guys what would you say?
Ok, first of all, stop panicking. This is a sh1t test. This is where the AFCs who are doing a little too much acting usually end up thinking they screwed up, and start back peddling to try to appease her. If you do this, you're through.

Remember when I posted a in the beginning that if you pushed to hard to get the number, I GUARANTEED you'd scare her off? You're viewing the number as the end goal-and she is sensing this. It's not, it's just the beginning, so stop asking for her number.

I normally never have to ask for numbers or even for dates when I am working a HB online. Occasionally I will, but it's after I've developed some rapport, and I have never been told no. And I normally don't have to wait too long. So slow down. She'll want to give it to eventually.

And yes, she is obviously a bit of an AW, but you can play this into your favor.

All is not lost. Girls who are completely not interested do not say this:

too bad you've ruled me out. oh well...
She's set this sh1t test up, but she wants you to pass it. That last bit of text-to me says-"I am interested, but you're turning me off." Most girls when they are sick of you just stop responding. She gets that your confident-that's registered with her- don't beat her over the head with it, move it forward.

You've qualified/DHV'd a little too much, and she's not having fun. You have to let her win a little. Push/pull.

Your game cant be all ****y funny. I did say be ****y, but there has to be some substance there as well.

I would forget about the number thing for a bit, and try talking about some substance. Flirting and witty banter are great tools, but conversations that consist of nothing but this get tiresome. That's where she is right now, and sh1t testing you in the process.

Turn the conversation to some normal stuff. Brush off her last comment with something like:

"Oh, I didn't rule you out, on the contrary, I kinda like your feisty attitude. It's no fun when girls don't fight back. :)

I bet you've got brothers, huh? I can usually tell when girls have brothers in their family, they tend to be little more independent. [This will go over really well if she has brothers, she'll see you as insightful. Even if she doesn't she'll still take this as a sincere compliment, but not over top]. I've always felt that kids that come from families with sibling of both genders are better off, they seem have a better understanding of dealing with both sides of things. Provided, of course, you don't belch out loud or like like to hog the remote :) Do you have a big family?"

... or something along those lines, but you get the idea. Right now she thinks all you have is C/F, show her there is more to you than that. And you let her win a little, by acknowledging that she's got something you see as positive thing, without apologizing for your previous behavior (if I had to guess, this is her biggest problem right now-you're making it to hard for her to qualify herself).

Back off on the C/F stuff. Work it in now and then, but get past the "flirting stage" and into some real conversation.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS have an air of playfulness to your ****iness in the beginning (hence the "funny" part). It shouldn't be you trumping her one message after another. Also, she can see you're teasing her as sort of ****iness as well-but not the same type where you tell her how great you are or how lucky she is to be talking to you. It has the same effect, but doesn't leave her feeling like your constantly bragging.

You can still fix this.
 
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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One more thing...

If a girl calls you out on your ****y behavior and you get the feeling it's not a good thing, like maybe you've pushed it a little too much (I am naturally ****y, so this happens to me sometimes), never say something like "Girls like confident guys" or anything of that nature. It makes it sound like you're acting a certain way to make an impression on her, or that you're explaining your behavior to her. Don't do either, that's completely incongruent.

When you get this signal, just redirect the conversation to something less volatile, but don't do too much to verify or deny her claim. Brush it off and change it up.
 
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MotownMack said:
One more thing...

If a girl calls you out on your ****y behavior and you get the feeling it's not a good thing, like maybe you've pushed it a little too much (I am naturally ****y, so this happens to me sometimes), never say something like "Girls like confident guys" or anything of that nature. It makes it sound like you're acting a certain way to make an impression on her, or that you're explaining your behavior to her. Don't do either, that's completely incongruent.

When you get this signal, just redirect the conversation to something less volatile, but don't do too much to verify or deny her claim. Brush it off and change it up.

now that's game... I bet she bites. you the man!
 
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MotownMack said:
Completely ignore this. This is her way of trying subtly communicate to you that she thinks she's hot sh1t- there is a very good chance this is her way of saying "I'm so hot, guys won't approach me." I've often heard this from girls who are hot, but don't get approached because they have b1thy attitudes or aloof expressions, and want to project the reason as being "someone else's hang up" when the reality is almost surely that the cause is her own demeanor. I am sorry, but the fact of the matter is hot girls get approached, period. If they aren't getting approach often or at all, it's their attitude, not because they are "too good looking." Never buy into this "myth." Don't take that bait.

This isn't the same girl, is it?

The second comment is even more of an attempt to validate her first supposition. She's heard better pick up lines than that, she just liked it cuz it completely supplicated her. She's trying to DHV.

Keeping that scenario in mind, be careful not to validate this one. Be extra ****y with her.



You: Wow, that's completely ironic. I'm actually starting a cult myself, but with me as the object of worship, and thought you might wanna join. In exchange for your undying devotion and servitude, you'll receive a monogrammed velvet robe, autographed 8x10 photos of me, and a travel-size altar w/candles, so you can even worship me on-the-go. You better hurry though, the openings are filling up pretty quickly."
I got a reply from cult lady.. she seems to be turning down the offer to worship me. Unbelievable. :crazy:

"I make it my policy not to join any more cults. It gets to the point when you just have to say,"enough is enough," and cut your losses."

What up with that?? Motown check your PM's.
 

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Way too many rules to follow, it's seldom very cut and dry as to merrit just tossing out some random C/F lines. Women like this are trying to fish for infomation and unless you give them some type of bait they'll either get bored or frustrated.
 
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