"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Guys who have used Seeking Arrangements and done Sugar dating, experiences?

BillyPilgrim

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My older overweight balding cousin used SA for a while. He is a business owner with money to blow. He got addicted to SA. He started having a new girl come over almost everyday that he would meet on there. Then he met a 40 yr old meth head single mom who doesn’t see her kids on there. She slithered her way in and now they live together and he pays for everything. He even pays for her meth. He said they are in love. SA changed him. He became a different person. My parents and I haven’t spoke to him in over a year.
Man that sucks. Hope the guy can keep his biz together and turn things around. Maybe it was the meth head chick who changed him and not so much SA?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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My former co-worker is doing this. At some point i'll type a bit of what he has told me. He is enjoying it alot.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Man that sucks. Hope the guy can keep his biz together and turn things around. Maybe it was the meth head chick who changed him and not so much SA?
He started changing before he met her but it got worse after they met. He luckily has someone running his business for him.
 

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My older overweight balding cousin used SA for a while. He is a business owner with money to blow. He got addicted to SA. He started having a new girl come over almost everyday that he would meet on there. Then he met a 40 yr old meth head single mom who doesn’t see her kids on there. She slithered her way in and now they live together and he pays for everything. He even pays for her meth. He said they are in love. SA changed him. He became a different person. My parents and I haven’t spoke to him in over a year.
Not shocked when you dealing with degenerate women eventually they will bring out the worse in your own behavior
 

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You know what, I might experiment with that site and use OP's suggestions to filter out the wh0res. I'll report back my findings.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I Know some guys who have done, it's a degenerate rabbit-hole OP.
I remember talking to a buddy of mine and he mentioned something I found very interesting. The same girls on these sugardaddies sites that want their rent/bills paid for are the same girls looking for love on Tinder/bumble. Imagine the girl won't give you the time of day Unless you go "Zion WIlliamson" on her(for those that don't know Zion Williamson is a 22 year old 2-time All-star NBA player who allegedly is paying an ex-run-through pornstar a 107K allowance a month)

There is a guy who has to pay and a guy who gets it for free, why pay for something you can get for free?
This is true. I just chatted with a girl a couple days before, graduating from the same campus as I am. She talks about how she doesn't understand how relationships begin, then as we went on talking, the veil is lifted. She wants an LTR from this man she really likes, and she wants this man to initiate. In the meantime (since the dude lives far away, in some island in my country), she had been doing sexual favors in a condo for an older man for dinners (this stopped two months ago, she says). There has been no penetration, she said, and the hugs she felt from the older man wasn't genuine, whereas the hugs she got from the other man felt romantic. Of course, the man she wants an LTR with doesn't know any of this. Quite a story, really.

Also agree with the second part. Why pay for something you can get for free?
 

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Update:

Got my first ever date as well as a BJ off of Seeking. Did not actually get to smash but updating field report on my thread. More dates lined up in the next few days, will keep everyone posted. I paid for her Uber over to a spot near me as well as for our dinner and her Uber back, that was about it.
 

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Update:

Got my first ever date as well as a BJ off of Seeking. Did not actually get to smash but updating field report on my thread. More dates lined up in the next few days, will keep everyone posted. I paid for her Uber over to a spot near me as well as for our dinner and her Uber back, that was about it.
I see these sites for sugar daddies. So, how about if you just lie about being rich? I mean you drive a nice car and dress nice but just fake being that rich old dude?

Let's say you own a business and make 70k a year, not 300k a year? Spoil her for a couple dates and then smash and dump it. If you're in some state college town with a state university I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find cute girls on sugar daddy sites. Key is to smash them as soon as possible and dump them without spending tons of cash on them!
 

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Got my first ever date as well as a BJ off of Seeking. I paid for her Uber over to a spot near me as well as for our dinner and her Uber back, that was about it.
A first date BJ off of Seeking without paying directly for it is an accomplishment. That's solid game.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Jesse Pinkman

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A first date BJ off of Seeking without paying directly for it is an accomplishment. That's solid game.
LOL, tbh, I had a lot of ALMOSTs off of Seeking. A lot of dates that were supposed to happen but the girl pulled a bait and switch or the girl was only in the city for a night and leaving the next day and logistics did not line up. Today was a moral victory for sure.
 

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LOL, tbh, I had a lot of ALMOSTs off of Seeking. A lot of dates that were supposed to happen but the girl pulled a bait and switch or the girl was only in the city for a night and leaving the next day and logistics did not line up. Today was a moral victory for sure.
Those almosts with a last minute flake are frustrating. That's the kind of behavior that happens from Tinder/Bumble/Hinge. Seeking is supposed to be women on their best behavior.
 

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Those almosts with a last minute flake are frustrating. That's the kind of behavior that happens from Tinder/Bumble/Hinge. Seeking is supposed to be women on their best behavior.
I have a theory that I am going to test out and maybe @Dash Riprock can back me up on this. I think Seeking Arrangements can be a downright paradise in tier 2 cities like Tampa, Orlando, or any city that is not a Miami, NYC, LA, San Fran, or Chicago. My thoughts are that the cities that are world class are loaded with men that have serious money and are willing to spoil the life out of a girl. Meanwhile, someone in Tampa does not have that kind of money and even if they do, they are more than set with women to never go on Seeking in the first place.

I have already had video calls with Tampa and Ft Meyers girls who were mostly naked in the bedroom in that call. Meanwhile, in Miami, I notice far more prudishness and far more women trying to do a bait and switch where they immediately want me to pay for their trip to the nail salon even though we haven't met.

In a tier 2 city, women see a guy who can pay for their meal and perhaps their Uber to be a catch. If anything, they are so bored that they want to meet a big city dude with interesting stories.
 

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I have a theory that I am going to test out and maybe @Dash Riprock can back me up on this. I think Seeking Arrangements can be a downright paradise in tier 2 cities like Tampa, Orlando, or any city that is not a Miami, NYC, LA, San Fran, or Chicago. My thoughts are that the cities that are world class are loaded with men that have serious money and are willing to spoil the life out of a girl. Meanwhile, someone in Tampa does not have that kind of money and even if they do, they are more than set with women to never go on Seeking in the first place.

I have already had video calls with Tampa and Ft Meyers girls who were mostly naked in the bedroom in that call. Meanwhile, in Miami, I notice far more prudishness and far more women trying to do a bait and switch where they immediately want me to pay for their trip to the nail salon even though we haven't met.

In a tier 2 city, women see a guy who can pay for their meal and perhaps their Uber to be a catch. If anything, they are so bored that they want to meet a big city dude with interesting stories.
Interesting theory. If so, then Seeking would be less applicable for me as a resident of a Tier 1 city.
 

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Interesting theory. If so, then Seeking would be less applicable for me as a resident of a Tier 1 city.
Tampa has become a very expensive city to live in, yet the pay doesn't add up like it should for a city at that cost for rent and housing.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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