I have had numerous women tell me that guys want to message back and forth and they never get around to asking them out on OLD. Are these bishes lying? Who are these men they speak of? Dudes just looking for validation? say it aint so!
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Guys on OLD who who have text conversations and never ask a woman out
- Thread starter Mazer
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Skyline
Master Don Juan
You really should chit chat back and forth.
The last thing you want is a date with a boring girl. You save more time and money by talking for a bit first.
i do it often because when i have a date then they make some chit up ("uhh u look different than on pic") and therefore i barely go on a date. i also need my haircut done or they will complain/run, - what i am supposed to do, run to hairdresser for some bish? lul. so i simply text with them for pleasure.
marmel75
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Not if you are looking to bang. Complete waste of time.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
marmel75
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Thats pretty weak. If you don't look like yoir pics then put some pics up that you do look like. Wear a hat on the date then if you don't want to cut your hair.
When I was using OLD frequently I used to wear a backwards baseball cap. It probably doubled my lay rate. They loved it...maybe they took it as a bad boy signal or that i just didn't give a crap but I got more ass than a toilet seat when I started doing it.
But it went with my persona, if that's not you in date then it will come off wrong.
resilient
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I'll do that if they live 60-100+ miles away.
For me, it doesn't make sense to waste time talking and then try to logistically find a middle spot to hang. What if I drove half way and she was a no show or had lukewarm IL at best?
Recent Example:
Last month, I exchanged messages back forth with a woman for a few days that lived nearly 2 hours away. I tried to set up a beach day which she shifted to a dinner date. She set up a phone call the next night to see how we got along. She pushed back the call time an hour when she missed the call time. That lowered my IL because she wasn't respecting my time and value.
My mistake in retrospect was allowing her to keep me on the phone too long so she lost interest. This chick bragged that 50 guys messaged her and she exchanged her # with 3 guys and I was one of them. Wow, entitlement at its best! She sounded like a structured Brazilian chick with a checklist, so I probably dodged a bullet when she blocked me on OLD two days later.
I'll keep talking for a while to see what gets them intrigued so I can get better at interactions.
My sticking point is when they ghost, go radio silent, or block when I ask them out for a date. If I say "I'm busy, but I'd like to keep talking about _____, let's meet up for drinks." Do I sound like a player? wtf?....
For me, it doesn't make sense to waste time talking and then try to logistically find a middle spot to hang. What if I drove half way and she was a no show or had lukewarm IL at best?
Recent Example:
Last month, I exchanged messages back forth with a woman for a few days that lived nearly 2 hours away. I tried to set up a beach day which she shifted to a dinner date. She set up a phone call the next night to see how we got along. She pushed back the call time an hour when she missed the call time. That lowered my IL because she wasn't respecting my time and value.
My mistake in retrospect was allowing her to keep me on the phone too long so she lost interest. This chick bragged that 50 guys messaged her and she exchanged her # with 3 guys and I was one of them. Wow, entitlement at its best! She sounded like a structured Brazilian chick with a checklist, so I probably dodged a bullet when she blocked me on OLD two days later.
I'll keep talking for a while to see what gets them intrigued so I can get better at interactions.
My sticking point is when they ghost, go radio silent, or block when I ask them out for a date. If I say "I'm busy, but I'd like to keep talking about _____, let's meet up for drinks." Do I sound like a player? wtf?....