"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Guys how do you talk in clubs?

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nando

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I tried today and the girl and I could not even have a decent convo, she could not even hear me and i was shouting, it felt like a waste of time :(. Do you recommend I stick to outside for pickups?
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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DonJoseCantosie

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Try to move her to a quieter area of the club. If she's interested, she'll want to.
 
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ideally, you're supposed to dance with her a bit and then move her over to the bar/quiet area so you can talk better. Of course, that makes it impossible to qualify her up front, but I think that's about the best you can do at clubs. Those places aren't really for qualifying, anyway; they're made for having sex on the dance floor.
 
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either learn how to properly project your voice or lean in close to her ear and talk normally
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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This is why i hate clubs. I don't have a particularly strong voice and I have to shout just to order a drink. Seductive conversation is out of the question.
 
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Francisco d'Anconia

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DonJoseCantosie said:
Try to move her to a quieter area of the club. If she's interested, she'll want to.
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The winner. :up:
 
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I totally hate it too. It's almost impossible to run game when you can't communicate. The best thing I have found is to put on your best smile, laugh and act like your having the most fun in your life. Since you can't hear her, she probally can't hear you. Very quickly after meeting you have to grab/hold her hand and try leading her to the dance floor then some place quitier. As long as she as interested she will go. The only way you can qualify is if you are a good dancer or any other non-verbal method. That is at least what I know from pass trials. Any club rats out there got a better method?
 
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^^^Good post, especially on the bit about quickly holding her hand.

Thanks Francisco as well :)
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Well everybody on this board wants to be an alpha male...an alpha male is one who dominates his environment. So if you want to be a badass in the club, take some dancing lessons. You might even meet some chicks in the process.
 
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MooseGod said:
Well everybody on this board wants to be an alpha male...an alpha male is one who dominates his environment. So if you want to be a badass in the club, take some dancing lessons. You might even meet some chicks in the process.
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Ever think about the fact that Alphas are more preoccupied with what's going on around them than who's around them? I'd rather focus on the women around me, but that's just me. :cool:
 
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good advice guys keep it up. I also have same problem, just started going clubbing and the girls can hear me fine, but i can not hear them. Best to try chatting more away from speackers lol or maybe go to a quieter club/bar.
 
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Sam Adams said:
I totally hate it too. It's almost impossible to run game when you can't communicate. The best thing I have found is to put on your best smile, laugh and act like your having the most fun in your life. Since you can't hear her, she probally can't hear you. Very quickly after meeting you have to grab/hold her hand and try leading her to the dance floor then some place quitier. As long as she as interested she will go. The only way you can qualify is if you are a good dancer or any other non-verbal method. That is at least what I know from pass trials. Any club rats out there got a better method?
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Hmmm, kino and conversation in a club but someplace other than the dancefloor. Nope, that's pretty much the best method.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Its possible and has been done. Why limit urself if u want to get good at most venues? Course the goal is to get laid, but conversation is a good idea. Its just "how" u conversation is the matter at hand.
 
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Kev07 said:
Why are you going to a club if your goal is to meet girls through conversation
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Are conversations in clubs illegal? :confused:
 
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Its easy.

Approach--->Talk (in between, get close to her (make sure you wear cologne) and kino ----> continue chatting to get her smiling -----> take her outside to "smoke" or "get air".

9 outta 10, she'll go with you.
 
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mystery is such a piece of **** when he teaches people not to lean in to talk to a girl cuz it's like ur supplicating to them. You guys say stuff that makes much more sense
 
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Dongfu stole the words out of my bullhorn.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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