Got Rejected... by a Men's Support Group

[Desdinova]

As some of you may know, I joined a local Men's Support Group. I'm all in favour for something like this, and I personally needed it myself while going through my health struggles. There's a lot of great topics that get covered in this group, so it's kind of like a refresher course on keeping positive and moving ahead. Some of the guest speakers have been excellent. There are a few rules with this group:

- Don't give voluntary advice
- What's discussed in the group stays in the group
- No Woman Bashing

One of the problems I see in this group is people struggling with their significant others. It's fvcking brutal to watch them make a ton of mistakes with their GFs and wives and go through repeated heartbreak and frustration. I honestly think that the topic NEEDS to be addressed because all the men are scared of talking about their relationship problems. I approached the leaders of the group with the idea of having a discourse on how to interact with women and make relationships successful. They weren't very receptive of the idea, so I told them I'd develop a discourse, record it to video, and then have them critique it and see if it's something that could be used. They agreed to that idea.

So I went to work. I jotted down notes on the absolute basics of interacting with women (including dating), left out all the PUA lingo, included a LOT of mindset suggestion to help cope with the various things that women will throw one's way, included my experience descending down a rabbit hole along with a brief summary of becoming successful with women, mentioned how many decades I've invested into understanding women, and then ran it to video. I then sent it to a couple of the co-ordinators.

Today I received a response from one of the co-ordinators. My discourse has been rejected. I'm not exactly surprised by the decision given how much AFCs reject any kind of logical approaches when interacting with women. Here's how our conversation went:


Co-ordinator: Hey, watched your video. We're going to have to pass on it when it comes to the group. I think it came off the wrong way that we're trying to run the group. We're trying to respect others, not trick them.

Me: Ok, no problem.

Co-ordinator: Sorry,

Me: It's all good. I shouldn't have a problem finding someone who will utilize it. It won't be going to waste.

Co-ordinator: It was pretty degrading to women to be honest just not a good fit for guys that are trying to create healthy relationships

Me: Again, not a problem. I'm not going to debate your opinion on it.


I'm a bit amazed that he thought my discourse was "degrading" to women. If standing up for yourself and not putting up with bad behavior from a female human is "degrading", then I shall wish him good luck on his new marriage. He's going to need it. The fact that he kept itching to tell me how degrading it was to women was interesting. In our group, this guy has shared that he likes to fight, but he wasn't going to get that with me. I accepted my rejection by utilizing the advice that I had given in the video... End all discussion and move on. That discourse is my own personal roadmap. I represented it, even when taking the rejection of the discourse itself.

As for the group, this hasn't deterred me from attending. There's still a lot of good to be had, and there's still a lot of guys to help. I'm currently on a new path to get my health issues treated, so things are on an upward trend. Living well is the best revenge, so perhaps it's time for me to start communicating to the group how damn great my nearly decade-long LTR is going. I don't have a reason to bash women, so I might as well praise the one that I'm with

Also, if anyone out there has a podcast or a youtube channel on the subject of dating, I have a nice powerpoint presentation about interacting with women which I'll be happy to let you use for free. Just send me a PM if you're interested

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Sh1t, why not allow women to join the group?

 

[Desdinova]

Sh1t, why not allow women to join the group?

My question is why not talk about problems with women? They can be the root of all problems with a man's mental health.

 

[zekko]

My question is why not talk about problems with women? They can be the root of all problems with a man's mental health.

It's certainly a subject that is of great interest to men.

 

[plumber]

almost all men that are not raised by an RP father will not be RP until they get dunked. these men likely mean well, and really don't get it. i mean we still have religion telling that evolution is false. OP, those men running this thing, will look for you when they get dunked.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

But apparently it's OK to "degrade yourself" to put women on pedestals?

 

[Doctor Europeo]

As some of you may know, I joined a local Men's Support Group. I'm all in favour for something like this, and I personally needed it myself while going through my health struggles. There's a lot of great topics that get covered in this group, so it's kind of like a refresher course on keeping positive and moving ahead. Some of the guest speakers have been excellent. There are a few rules with this group:

- Don't give voluntary advice
- What's discussed in the group stays in the group
- No Woman Bashing

One of the problems I see in this group is people struggling with their significant others. It's fvcking brutal to watch them make a ton of mistakes with their GFs and wives and go through repeated heartbreak and frustration. I honestly think that the topic NEEDS to be addressed because all the men are scared of talking about their relationship problems. I approached the leaders of the group with the idea of having a discourse on how to interact with women and make relationships successful. They weren't very receptive of the idea, so I told them I'd develop a discourse, record it to video, and then have them critique it and see if it's something that could be used. They agreed to that idea.

So I went to work. I jotted down notes on the absolute basics of interacting with women (including dating), left out all the PUA lingo, included a LOT of mindset suggestion to help cope with the various things that women will throw one's way, included my experience descending down a rabbit hole along with a brief summary of becoming successful with women, mentioned how many decades I've invested into understanding women, and then ran it to video. I then sent it to a couple of the co-ordinators.

Today I received a response from one of the co-ordinators. My discourse has been rejected. I'm not exactly surprised by the decision given how much AFCs reject any kind of logical approaches when interacting with women. Here's how our conversation went:


Co-ordinator: Hey, watched your video. We're going to have to pass on it when it comes to the group. I think it came off the wrong way that we're trying to run the group. We're trying to respect others, not trick them.

Me: Ok, no problem.

Co-ordinator: Sorry,

Me: It's all good. I shouldn't have a problem finding someone who will utilize it. It won't be going to waste.

Co-ordinator: It was pretty degrading to women to be honest just not a good fit for guys that are trying to create healthy relationships

Me: Again, not a problem. I'm not going to debate your opinion on it.


I'm a bit amazed that he thought my discourse was "degrading" to women. If standing up for yourself and not putting up with bad behavior from a female human is "degrading", then I shall wish him good luck on his new marriage. He's going to need it. The fact that he kept itching to tell me how degrading it was to women was interesting. In our group, this guy has shared that he likes to fight, but he wasn't going to get that with me. I accepted my rejection by utilizing the advice that I had given in the video... End all discussion and move on. That discourse is my own personal roadmap. I represented it, even when taking the rejection of the discourse itself.

As for the group, this hasn't deterred me from attending. There's still a lot of good to be had, and there's still a lot of guys to help. I'm currently on a new path to get my health issues treated, so things are on an upward trend. Living well is the best revenge, so perhaps it's time for me to start communicating to the group how damn great my nearly decade-long LTR is going. I don't have a reason to bash women, so I might as well praise the one that I'm with

Also, if anyone out there has a podcast or a youtube channel on the subject of dating, I have a nice powerpoint presentation about interacting with women which I'll be happy to let you use for free. Just send me a PM if you're interested

Hey Des, its always good to hear from you. The coordinator sounds like a little b1tch, a white knight, a Simp, a beta provider, and Captain save-a-H0 all rolled up into one. Other than that, the group sounds good.

Reminds me of this cousin of yours: "DM" I think you called him iirc. Sometimes I wonder how he Is doing.

I will send you a PM. I'd love to put that Powerpoint of yours to good use.

 

[BaronOfHair]

- No Woman Bashing

Organizations throughout the modern Anglosphere have a rapacious appetite for vaguely worded regulations, the likes of which rivals The Vatican's lust for ass and poonany that's barely out of pampers

You have my compassion on this front, Des... I used to be fairly active in a men's group myself, until they also developed a stiffy for "emotional safety", which in turn = An environment where it's impossible to say much of anything

 

[Desdinova]

Reminds me of this cousin of yours: "DM" I think you called him iirc. Sometimes I wonder how he Is doing.

He started speaking with his dad again. He told his dad, "I'm actually starting to understand women." In other words, she's fitting the social stereotype that women are supposed to wear the pants in the relationship. He hasn't posted any mushy 5hit on his facebook since the honeymoon. It is truly over.

 

[Solomon]

Misery loves companies

I've learned not to waste my time with people espeically men who don't want to learn or are not open to it. I've tried to join tribes of men that didn't have the same morals and values I had/have even though on paper these men where considered TOP TIER in their group/workplace etc.

Sometimes you gotta journery the roads by your lonesome

 

[Clockwerk50]

It's hard to say why it was rejected without knowing the group or the content you created.

However, one of the most frustrating parts of life is how unwilling people can be to truly change their thinking. They might appear to listen and be open in the moment but often slip right back into their old beliefs once the conversation ends. It's human nature and we all have a degree of narcissism and stubbornness, and as we grow older, we become more attached to our own viewpoints, slowly building a mental barrier that blocks out opposing perspectives.

That’s why, in psychology, a good psychologist rarely argues. Instead, they ask questions, guiding the person to reach their own conclusions to slowly come out of that shell.

 

[Desdinova]

Sometimes you gotta journery the roads by your lonesome

Man, ain't that the fvcking truth. I've pretty much gone down the path of life all by myself. It's rare that I find a man that I can truly learn from. Most just aim to fit into the social norm without understanding WTF is actually going on around them. Women (especially younger ones) are much more readily eager to abandon trying to manoeuvre their lives being lead by hopes, dreams and fate and instead latch onto a man who's got his 5hit figured out and knows the direction he wants to go. That's why I have a woman along with me on my journey. She dropped everything to join my life. She even took charge of being the step-mother to my child (mainly because the mother of my child is a selfish piece of garbage).

I've learned not to waste my time with people espeically men who don't want to learn or are not open to it.

The last meetup I went to was quite interesting. We had a speaker who talked about self-sabotage. During his speech, he kept on beating himself up for using the same two words repeatedly. Being the a55hole that I am, I pointed out that he was self-sabotaging himself. Either the guy was solely book-smart, or he's on the path of fixing himself. I'm guessing he's just book-smart.

The discourse that I had created uses the example of not learning fishing from a fish, but instead learning from an experienced fisherman. It's quite amazing how that analogy can quickly get flushed down the toilet. I'm guessing my discourse came off as bragging that I was good with women even though I genuinely tried to disarm that defense (or competition) mechanism that is seemingly ingrained in men.

I honestly feel bad for the men in the group who are struggling with their marriages. One guy flat-out stated his problem without even recognizing that it was a problem. She was in the military and had learned not to do something unless he's commanded to do it. He brought that into his marriage. He won't do ANYTHING unless his wife gets fed up with his "laziness" and commands him to do a task. He then obeys her quietly like she's the drill sergeant.

There's a lot of men in the group with anger issues. They find themselves just getting angry for no apparent reason. Every single one of them is married. I'm almost certain that their anger stems from the socially-moulded mindset and habits they brought into their marriages.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Many of them don't know, its conditioning. I went down that painful road myslef, if I go back in time and tell me the $hit I know now I wouldn't believe it, because leterally my brain was not capable of it, I didn't have the neero connections, when somebody has a wound from childhood the brain adapted to that scenerio as fear, its very complicated $hit man. Carl Jung helps understand that better. But I understand and the frustration.


I'm curious to know the material you are bringing. This is my cash app $Pedrito0906, if you were to sell it, request how much for a copy of it.

Canadians don't get to use cash app. They only have paypal.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Canadians

This explains everything. Lol.

 

[Bokanovsky]

My question is why not talk about problems with women? They can be the root of all problems with a man's mental health.

Challenging deep-rooted belief systems is hard. Imagine trying to convince someone with strong religious or political views that what they believe in is a bunch of bullsh!t. You will not get a warm reception, no matter how articulate or rational your arguments may seem (to you). Same thing with views on women and gender dynamics.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Challenging deep-rooted belief systems is hard. Imagine trying to convince someone with strong religious or political views that what they believe in is a bunch of bullsh!t

Yep. Anyone who's ever dared to tell a Wokester or a Red Piller that life isn't as simple as their non-theistic religion dictates might as well try to convince the cannibal warlords of Nigeria to go pescaterian

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Why do you dudes insist on keeping bashing your head against the wall?

I know it's a huge ego boost to proselytize your red pill truth, but nobody likes being told what to do, regardless of the topic.

Especially if the group rules specifically say no advice giving.

I'm convinced that any "red pill" "saving" people from the "matrix" by telling them the "truth about women" is purely an ego flex exercise.

Get over yourselves and let others enjoy their own misery.

 

[Desdinova]

You will not get a warm reception, no matter how articulate or rational your arguments may seem (to you). Same thing with views on women and gender dynamics.

I know it's a huge ego boost to proselytize your red pill truth, but nobody likes being told what to do, regardless of the topic.

This is why I didn't push for it. I put in an offer to help the group and it got rejected. Just like with women, I took the rejection and moved on with my life. The co-ordinator was like the newly-christened ex-girlfriend who didn't want the argument to end. I just re-affirmed that our discussion on the subject was done. I doubt he's going to be friendly toward me during the next meeting, but I'm not there to be his friend.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Why do you dudes insist on keeping bashing your head against the wall?

Abolishing the stereotypes about men that are rampant in our culture/promoting self-development among men is a noble and vital mission. What undercuts all this... In the same way entirely too many peachers in what's often known as The Black American Church are keeping the stereotypes about their ministry alive and well, many folks(and I'm not saying @Desdinova is a fella)who seek to bring The Red Pill Word to the unconverted look, speak, and act like every meme associated with the word "Manosphere"

We could use more equivalents to Reverend A.S. D-c-erson https://www.nytimes.com/1964/07/12/archives/key-man-of-the-souththe-negro-minister-he-is-traditionally-a.html#:~:text=UNTIL fairly recently it was,other prophets in Hebrew history speaking up on behalf of men, rather than yet another neckbearded, beanie-wearing, morbidly obese keyboard warrior

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Why do you dudes insist on keeping bashing your head against the wall?

I know it's a huge ego boost to proselytize your red pill truth, but nobody likes being told what to do, regardless of the topic.

Especially if the group rules specifically say no advice giving.

I'm convinced that any "red pill" "saving" people from the "matrix" by telling them the "truth about women" is purely an ego flex exercise.

Get over yourselves and let others enjoy their own misery.

Abolishing the stereotypes about men that are rampant in our culture/promoting self-development among men is a noble and vital mission. What undercuts all this... In the same way entirely too many peachers in what's often known as The Black American Church are keeping the stereotypes about their ministry alive and well, many folks(and I'm not saying @Desdinova is a fella)who seek to bring The Red Pill Word to the unconverted look, speak, and act like every meme associated with the word "Manosphere"

We could use more equivalents to Reverend A.S. D-c-erson https://www.nytimes.com/1964/07/12/archives/key-man-of-the-souththe-negro-minister-he-is-traditionally-a.html#:~:text=UNTIL fairly recently it was,other prophets in Hebrew history speaking up on behalf of men, rather than yet another neckbearded, beanie-wearing, morbidly obese keyboard warrior

Sir, you have a twisted gore enthusiast telling you to lighten up @taiyuu_otoko

Evil thrives when good men do nothing. Cynicism thrives when principle is mistaken for ego.