"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Got a Drink Thrown at Me

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I was doing my nightime sarging at this bar when I came across this 3 set (1 guy and 2 chicks). The guy I already knew so I did not need any opener to start chatting with them. So as I am in, the guy is teasing the HB8 about her weight. He was saying that she is so fat that she can barely fit her ass on the bar stool. Then he asks me what I think. Now to avoid appearing as a Nice Guy, I decided to throw in a Neg. I said maybe she should join a gym. Now everybody in the group started laughing and she got so pissed that she threw her drink at me. I leave pretty soon afterwards and tell the guy that he should send that girl to Anger Management. I do not want to overanalyze the situation, but would love to hear how I could have handled this situation better.
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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BadJadder said:
I was doing my nightime sarging at this bar when I came across this 3 set (1 guy and 2 chicks). The guy I already knew so I did not need any opener to start chatting with them. So as I am in, the guy is teasing the HB8 about her weight. He was saying that she is so fat that she can barely fit her ass on the bar stool. Then he asks me what I think. Now to avoid appearing as a Nice Guy, I decided to throw in a Neg. I said maybe she should join a gym. Now everybody in the group started laughing and she got so pissed that she threw her drink at me. I leave pretty soon afterwards and tell the guy that he should send that girl to Anger Management. I do not want to overanalyze the situation, but would love to hear how I could have handled this situation better.
Ouch. im no expert, but that seems like ur trying too hard to be a jerk. Theres no reason to insult people. Just dont be too nice, isnt that the key?
 

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BadJadder said:
I was doing my nightime sarging at this bar when I came across this 3 set (1 guy and 2 chicks). The guy I already knew so I did not need any opener to start chatting with them. So as I am in, the guy is teasing the HB8 about her weight. He was saying that she is so fat that she can barely fit her ass on the bar stool. Then he asks me what I think. Now to avoid appearing as a Nice Guy, I decided to throw in a Neg. I said maybe she should join a gym. Now everybody in the group started laughing and she got so pissed that she threw her drink at me. I leave pretty soon afterwards and tell the guy that he should send that girl to Anger Management. I do not want to overanalyze the situation, but would love to hear how I could have handled this situation better.
Ouch. im no expert, but that seems like ur trying too hard to be a jerk. Theres no reason to insult people. Just dont be too nice, isnt that the key?
 

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BadJadder said:
...Then he asks me what I think. Now to avoid appearing as a Nice Guy, I decided to throw in a Neg. I said maybe she should join a gym. Now everybody in the group started laughing...
<confusion>
Is there something you're not telling us?
Your line, while being a Neg, and maybe a
little uncalled for, was not really that clever
and it sure as hell wasn't funny enough to
get the whole group laughing unless they were
stoned as shyt.
 

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hahaha , funny man , but one thing ive learned NEVER EVER neg about the weight , do the hair the eyes the nose everything else exept the weight...
its like a girl saying that your dic\k is too small to a male....

but also i guess you should work on your c/f more =P

but anyways gave me a smile for today....
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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insidious said:
<confusion>
Is there something you're not telling us?
Your line, while being a Neg, and maybe a
little uncalled for, was not really that clever
and it sure as hell wasn't funny enough to
get the whole group laughing unless they were
stoned as shyt.
I guess it was funny to them because I was an outsider and I kinda validated their teasing of her being fat. Now before that comment I did not have a chance to say anything to the girl and I was hoping that the neg will lead me somewhere if she hadn't acted so negative about it.
 

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That wasn't a neg, it was an insult. Her friend was teasing her, so I would have said something the opposite like a compliment on her clothes. Or better yet, negged your mate.

Oh well don't worry about it. It's a story to tell and she'll remember you that's for sure.
 

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Amog.
 
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Negging is dumb. The reason most guys neg is to try lower her value level, down to his own.
 

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good frickin goodness,

yeah, negging on something as personal as weight is to a girl is ludicrous. your friend is exercising ridiculous judgment by going down that road and it was a mistake for you to follow. literally blind leading blind.

a lot of the cheerleaders for negging really really really don't get how insecure MOST GIRLS are! some of the examples i've read for how you're "supposed" to neg would result in an awful lot of drinks being thrown.

heck, even negging girls on trivial shyt will get you in trouble most of the time (but if you're gonna neg, this is where you go for it).

i think the idea might be NEVER TO NEG SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE (OR MAY BE) INSECURE ABOUT!

neg something that they are supremely confident about and know that most people agree with her.... maybe then you got a shot.

anyway, the idea is to demonstrate that you are not afraid of her (THAT IS THE ESSENTIAL POINT). you are not trying to make her rethink anything about the state of her life.

delta
 

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You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

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dood, you straight up DISSED her hahaha.
 

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Her response was pretty appropriate.

Don't talk about weight at all. Drop it from your vocabulary. No one likes being called fat.
 

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LOL, hahaha that's hillarious! Lol, too top it off, you should have finished with

'Wow, now we're both wet.'
 

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Me at 25:

"I think this chick is fat, what do you think?"

"I think you talk too much."

Me at 39:

"I think this chick is fat, what do you think?"

"I think I'll have a shot of tequila."
 

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GirlCrazy said:
Me at 25:

"I think this chick is fat, what do you think?"

"I think you talk too much."

Me at 39:

"I think this chick is fat, what do you think?"

"I think I'll have a shot of tequila."
LOL

Serously though, seduction is about making Women feel good when they are in your presence, not bad.

That's why things like negs are stupid, and are usually done by those with lower value in a pathetic attempt to lower her value down to their own level.

Might work with some LSE party girls, but most women can see right thru this pathetic gimmick.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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oki i think he gets it now , dont need 20 more new posts from different guys stating the same thing O..o
 

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man you are fcvking idiot... its damn insulting the girl...in this situation everybody would get wrong man..men or women does not matter... thats why most of you guys messing up with girls.. you dont know when to talk, how to talk whatsoever... if you have told her something good, she would appreciate with you.. learn from your mistakes..
 

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A better answer would have been along the lines of how you can't tell until you've seen her naked.
 

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The neg-hitting concept is stupid. Read Leil Lownes' book How to Talk to Anyone. You should never ever tease someone at their expense unless you can do so in a way that is not offensive.
 

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Neg Hitting is only to be used in very specific situations.

It's amazing to me how difficult it seems to be for most guys to understand this. Even a few old-timers here really don't understand when and why to use one.

If you don't know, read the bible or Google "neg hit".
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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