"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Got a Drink Thrown at Me

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I was doing my nightime sarging at this bar when I came across this 3 set (1 guy and 2 chicks). The guy I already knew so I did not need any opener to start chatting with them. So as I am in, the guy is teasing the HB8 about her weight. He was saying that she is so fat that she can barely fit her ass on the bar stool. Then he asks me what I think. Now to avoid appearing as a Nice Guy, I decided to throw in a Neg. I said maybe she should join a gym. Now everybody in the group started laughing and she got so pissed that she threw her drink at me. I leave pretty soon afterwards and tell the guy that he should send that girl to Anger Management. I do not want to overanalyze the situation, but would love to hear how I could have handled this situation better.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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BadJadder said:
I was doing my nightime sarging at this bar when I came across this 3 set (1 guy and 2 chicks). The guy I already knew so I did not need any opener to start chatting with them. So as I am in, the guy is teasing the HB8 about her weight. He was saying that she is so fat that she can barely fit her ass on the bar stool. Then he asks me what I think. Now to avoid appearing as a Nice Guy, I decided to throw in a Neg. I said maybe she should join a gym. Now everybody in the group started laughing and she got so pissed that she threw her drink at me. I leave pretty soon afterwards and tell the guy that he should send that girl to Anger Management. I do not want to overanalyze the situation, but would love to hear how I could have handled this situation better.
Ouch. im no expert, but that seems like ur trying too hard to be a jerk. Theres no reason to insult people. Just dont be too nice, isnt that the key?
 

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BadJadder said:
I was doing my nightime sarging at this bar when I came across this 3 set (1 guy and 2 chicks). The guy I already knew so I did not need any opener to start chatting with them. So as I am in, the guy is teasing the HB8 about her weight. He was saying that she is so fat that she can barely fit her ass on the bar stool. Then he asks me what I think. Now to avoid appearing as a Nice Guy, I decided to throw in a Neg. I said maybe she should join a gym. Now everybody in the group started laughing and she got so pissed that she threw her drink at me. I leave pretty soon afterwards and tell the guy that he should send that girl to Anger Management. I do not want to overanalyze the situation, but would love to hear how I could have handled this situation better.
Ouch. im no expert, but that seems like ur trying too hard to be a jerk. Theres no reason to insult people. Just dont be too nice, isnt that the key?
 

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BadJadder said:
...Then he asks me what I think. Now to avoid appearing as a Nice Guy, I decided to throw in a Neg. I said maybe she should join a gym. Now everybody in the group started laughing...
<confusion>
Is there something you're not telling us?
Your line, while being a Neg, and maybe a
little uncalled for, was not really that clever
and it sure as hell wasn't funny enough to
get the whole group laughing unless they were
stoned as shyt.
 

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hahaha , funny man , but one thing ive learned NEVER EVER neg about the weight , do the hair the eyes the nose everything else exept the weight...
its like a girl saying that your dic\k is too small to a male....

but also i guess you should work on your c/f more =P

but anyways gave me a smile for today....
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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insidious said:
<confusion>
Is there something you're not telling us?
Your line, while being a Neg, and maybe a
little uncalled for, was not really that clever
and it sure as hell wasn't funny enough to
get the whole group laughing unless they were
stoned as shyt.
I guess it was funny to them because I was an outsider and I kinda validated their teasing of her being fat. Now before that comment I did not have a chance to say anything to the girl and I was hoping that the neg will lead me somewhere if she hadn't acted so negative about it.
 

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That wasn't a neg, it was an insult. Her friend was teasing her, so I would have said something the opposite like a compliment on her clothes. Or better yet, negged your mate.

Oh well don't worry about it. It's a story to tell and she'll remember you that's for sure.
 

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Amog.
 
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Negging is dumb. The reason most guys neg is to try lower her value level, down to his own.
 

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good frickin goodness,

yeah, negging on something as personal as weight is to a girl is ludicrous. your friend is exercising ridiculous judgment by going down that road and it was a mistake for you to follow. literally blind leading blind.

a lot of the cheerleaders for negging really really really don't get how insecure MOST GIRLS are! some of the examples i've read for how you're "supposed" to neg would result in an awful lot of drinks being thrown.

heck, even negging girls on trivial shyt will get you in trouble most of the time (but if you're gonna neg, this is where you go for it).

i think the idea might be NEVER TO NEG SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE (OR MAY BE) INSECURE ABOUT!

neg something that they are supremely confident about and know that most people agree with her.... maybe then you got a shot.

anyway, the idea is to demonstrate that you are not afraid of her (THAT IS THE ESSENTIAL POINT). you are not trying to make her rethink anything about the state of her life.

delta
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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dood, you straight up DISSED her hahaha.
 

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Her response was pretty appropriate.

Don't talk about weight at all. Drop it from your vocabulary. No one likes being called fat.
 

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LOL, hahaha that's hillarious! Lol, too top it off, you should have finished with

'Wow, now we're both wet.'
 

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Me at 25:

"I think this chick is fat, what do you think?"

"I think you talk too much."

Me at 39:

"I think this chick is fat, what do you think?"

"I think I'll have a shot of tequila."
 

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GirlCrazy said:
Me at 25:

"I think this chick is fat, what do you think?"

"I think you talk too much."

Me at 39:

"I think this chick is fat, what do you think?"

"I think I'll have a shot of tequila."
LOL

Serously though, seduction is about making Women feel good when they are in your presence, not bad.

That's why things like negs are stupid, and are usually done by those with lower value in a pathetic attempt to lower her value down to their own level.

Might work with some LSE party girls, but most women can see right thru this pathetic gimmick.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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oki i think he gets it now , dont need 20 more new posts from different guys stating the same thing O..o
 

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man you are fcvking idiot... its damn insulting the girl...in this situation everybody would get wrong man..men or women does not matter... thats why most of you guys messing up with girls.. you dont know when to talk, how to talk whatsoever... if you have told her something good, she would appreciate with you.. learn from your mistakes..
 

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A better answer would have been along the lines of how you can't tell until you've seen her naked.
 

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The neg-hitting concept is stupid. Read Leil Lownes' book How to Talk to Anyone. You should never ever tease someone at their expense unless you can do so in a way that is not offensive.
 

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Neg Hitting is only to be used in very specific situations.

It's amazing to me how difficult it seems to be for most guys to understand this. Even a few old-timers here really don't understand when and why to use one.

If you don't know, read the bible or Google "neg hit".
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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