"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Good example of using texting C&F?

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This is probably the first time in my life I've attempted C&F via text. Overkill, or no? I was supposed to meet a girl this evening after she got out of church for a coffee first date. Called her to make sure we were still on, and went straight to voicemail. She then texted me back almost immediately

Her: "Sooo sorry, I'm still sitting at church. Can't wait to get out of here. We still on?"

Me: "I charge by the minute, how long are you gonna be?"

Her: "Lol, start the tab. Service is going long because of some memorial thing. I'll call you as soon as I get out the door"

Me: "Hey, stop texting in church. You're setting a bad example. ;-)"

Her: "I'm in the back, lol"

Me: "So you're one of 'those' church girls"

Her: "Call you soon ;)"
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You'll know if she calls you.

I don't think it's really ****y though. It's just bullsh!tting really and I don't think there is any harm in what you said there.
 

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Good stuff - and reminds me:

Today the Church sign read "God has unlimited anytime minutes".

PS - one of my favorite lines is: "You're hurting your chances".
 

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I'm getting a bit better at this...
She called at around eight o clock, she just left church and asked if we could reschedule. Seemed genuinely sorry. I dropped a variation of a line mentioned in this thread.

Instead of 'You're hurting your chances' I threw "Flaking before our first 'real' date? That's gonna cost you a couple of points. You're already starting in the hole." and she went into defensive apologetic mode.

"I'm soo sorry...I really wanted to go. I swear we just got out of church. I have to drop xxx off at her house. We WILL go out asap. I promise"

So instead of beating around the bush, conversing for 10 minutes (I used to be bad at that), I went for "My week is really busy. Let me see when I'm free. Same place. Tomorrow. 7. Good?"

"I promise I'll be there."

"You'd better, you have some points to earn back."

There may be hope for me yet when it comes to playing this game.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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You know, it's okay if some of your conversations DON'T have C&F in it.

It's good to sound like a normal person. Not a collection of PUA tips.

Ideally, you naturally use some C&F every now and then, but the other 90% of your conversation and responses are just...you know...YOU.

I understand you're just starting out and want to undo some of your former AFC ways. Just don't let every conversation end up like:

Girl: I'm in the mood for Italian tonight

You: Damn right you're in the mood for Italian.

Girl: I'll be at your place at 9.

You: You better be at my place at 9.


...My point is...after a while, it gets corny and obvious. I've had a couple girls already tell me how they were, quote, "negged" at the bar the other night. This PUA stuff is something you should mix into your persona....but don't let it become your entire persona.
 

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Iceberg said:
You know, it's okay if some of your conversations DON'T have C&F in it.

It's good to sound like a normal person. Not a collection of PUA tips.

Ideally, you naturally use some C&F every now and then, but the other 90% of your conversation and responses are just...you know...YOU.
I'm aware, we've had many normal conversations, I'm not even actively looking for a 'real' relationship right now. Basically, I had oneitis and dive bombed so hard so fast after it fell apart that I dissected who I was at a person and realized I needed some self improvement. I'm sure I'll swing hard in the direction of C&F and probably come off as a douche for a while, but as the techniques I'm learning swing back to the center and combine with my natural personality I'll be good to go.
 

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DCC said:
I'm aware, we've had many normal conversations, I'm not even actively looking for a 'real' relationship right now. Basically, I had oneitis and dive bombed so hard so fast after it fell apart that I dissected who I was at a person and realized I needed some self improvement. I'm sure I'll swing hard in the direction of C&F and probably come off as a douche for a while, but as the techniques I'm learning swing back to the center and combine with my natural personality I'll be good to go.

True. That's how it goes.

At first you start off trying too hard. Then you pull back, and find the right balance.

You'll be fine.
 

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Since I'm meeting her for coffee after work tomorrow.

That means I should open by flexing and asking which way to the gym, followed by 'hey, did you see that fight over there.' before we even go in the coffee shop, right? :D

My only goal right now is to learn a few skills / techniques, learn what works and what doesn't, and have fun. I've been looking for serious relationships for so long that I've missed a lot of what it means to really have 'fun' with a person. My past few relationships have been like interviews.
 

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Iceberg said:
You know, it's okay if some of your conversations DON'T have C&F in it.

It's good to sound like a normal person. Not a collection of PUA tips.

Ideally, you naturally use some C&F every now and then, but the other 90% of your conversation and responses are just...you know...YOU.

I understand you're just starting out and want to undo some of your former AFC ways. Just don't let every conversation end up like:

Girl: I'm in the mood for Italian tonight

You: Damn right you're in the mood for Italian.

Girl: I'll be at your place at 9.

You: You better be at my place at 9.


...My point is...after a while, it gets corny and obvious. I've had a couple girls already tell me how they were, quote, "negged" at the bar the other night. This PUA stuff is something you should mix into your persona....but don't let it become your entire persona.
Agreed.

In fact, when girls are being cooperative and "good", I almost lay off of it completely. Kind of like the reward system. Why make them jump through a bunch of hoops when you already know they will give you what you want willingly, you know?

But I must admit, if the opportunity for an awesomely perverted sexual banter/joke comes a long I will most often take it.

To the OP: I think you did alright. You went over board a little bit but I don't think it really hurt your chances. Update us on what happens.

-Scars
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Scars said:
Agreed.

In fact, when girls are being cooperative and "good", I almost lay off of it completely. Kind of like the reward system. Why make them jump through a bunch of hoops when you already know they will give you what you want willingly, you know?

But I must admit, if the opportunity for an awesomely perverted sexual banter/joke comes a long I will most often take it.

To the OP: I think you did alright. You went over board a little bit but I don't think it really hurt your chances. Update us on what happens.

-Scars
I'm having a huge issue / internal struggle with where to start / stop the sexual banter. I know I need it, but I do date religious girls, and am very religious myself. It's tough to bridge that gap.
 
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