Good conversational skills & flirting on video ?

[Cheeky_James]

Double post.

 

[Cheeky_James]

I like his "free flowing" style of conversation and allowing your communication and energies to naturally and organically bounce back and forth between you versus canned lines and contrived strategies.

I would love to see the video he referenced of the actual date wherein SHE took the lead and suggested they have sex.

I think that happened to @BPH once wherein he met a girl on an app and two minutes after meeting in person SHE suggested they skip dinner and head up to his hotel room.

Am I remembering that correctly BPH?

SG your post above echo’s AG’s explanation of things he said in his breakdown almost word for word?
Parrot much?
Please don’t tell me you are Avery or his associate posing as a ‘woman’ on a pickup forum,
Please don’t tell me that…

this Avery guy is full of sh1t man.
He says a few minutes in - “this infield goes for 50 minutes .. but I’m not gonna show that.”
Why Avery? Why wouldn’t he show that? LMAO.

I’ll just show 2-3 min of the premise/ direct open some bits of chat and 2 useful banter/framing lines.

And not show the most interesting bit, the 48 minutes after that.. the ‘secret’ bit where he builds comfort , rapport, safety, further connection and ticks all the boxes off, or handles awkward moments , where it solidifies, she gets comfortable and he starts his escalation and heavy flirt that makes the woman turned on enough to go f*ck him.


But no , and even funnier, in the video SHE makes all the moves, to bounce for drinks .
She’s doing all the leading in the pickup apparently.
She picks HIM up basically.

hoo hoo!!! Classic.
So what is he teaching exactly?
This is opposed to what he preaches in the breakdown ( that us ,the viewers ,as Men ,should lead ) haha. The video is showing the opposite.

oh man I wish i could meet more chicks like this!!.
Chicks that leads me and bounces me to the instadate for drinks.
Chicks that come on strong to me.
Chicks that makes the sex proposition to ME.

This missing 48 minutes must be truly incredible..

except it’s not.
cos it doesn’t exist.
Oh but mayhe it’s on his courses with all the other awesome infield. Oooo.. perhaps perhaps.
I better buy the course for all that awesome infield
And the mystery pieces he’s just primed my brain to seek out. To get the answers.

what a fvcking grifter man…

.why oh why do I fall for this sh1t , time after time after time. I’m a dumb muther****er man.

these grifting scumbags all operating from the same playbook…

FML man. This is one hella head**** this bull**** ‘Game’ world…

like how crazy is it we would all come on here , on and agree all infield video is useless.. 95% of dating coaches are frauds .. so much grifting and scamming has happened… and still be talking about Game .. as if the evidence isnt right there in front of our eyes that it’s ALL a sham?

It’s just the fundamentals + approaching and playing the numbers …

like, that’s pretty much IT .. that’s all that’s left !!
The rest is still mental gymnastics, mental masturbation.
faceless experts, no proof and no receipts.

Confidence , Frame, Vibe, this ,that.. unmeasurable quantities of ethereal “energy” and subjective opinion. Variables in every dimension of everything.

FML. What a waste of time to study this shyte.

 

[Sega Genesis]

SG your post above echo’s AG’s explanation of things he said in his breakdown almost word for word?
Parrot much?

Yeah so. That was my intention. Not to "parrot" but to repeat what I personally find attractive when a man approaches me. And trust me I have heard em all!

Natural, genuine. Free-flowimg. Not even like he's trying to "pick me up" even though I suspect he is. Ya know a normal conversation! Lol.

See where it leads. Maybe nowhere, maybe somewhere. Basically being comfortable in his own skin, from what I've seen anyway.. That makes a big difference when a man approaches me.

Anyway...

I am baffled why you get so wound up about this stuff. If his style doesn't work for you CJ, that's fine!

There is no one style fits all. Another woman may NOT like his style, I didn't like that guy Josef's style yet the chick he was talking to did! Apparently.

Use as just another resource, whatever works man. You do you. No sense getting so riled about it.

 

[Sega Genesis]

But no , and even funnier, in the video SHE makes all the moves, to bounce for drinks .
She’s doing all the leading in the pickup apparently.
She picks HIM up basically.

Lol, well doesn't this^^ at least suggest he's doing/did something right? Hello.

Perhaps if you stopped trying so hard to "Game" chicks and were more natural and authentic like AG advocates, it would happen to you.

Just a suggestion.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Lol, well doesn't this^^ at least suggest he's doing/did something right? Hello.

Perhaps if you stopped trying so hard to "Game" chicks and were more natural and authentic like AG advocates, it would happen to you.

Just a suggestion.

I tell you why SG.
Because it doesn’t make any sense what you said about freefliowing and authentic and ‘not trying to pick up.’.! You don’t have to ‘suspect’ he is , cos it’s obvious as snow he is by his questions.

examples
-hey ! Your cute
-Who are you here wirh ?
-do you have a boyfriend ? Yes? Oh cool I have a chance then!
- so what u doing here? Wheres ur accent from blah blah


so this is showing the black pill worldview.

ie if she is attracted to your looks, any Game is redundant, as it’s not needed.

She just needs to FEEL attracted and sexually interested , immediately based on his looks.

Things like ‘confidence’ and ‘frame’ and ‘vibe’ and xyz other things ,that keep the forum discussions running , and advice flowing .. and arguments going, are actually just unquantifiable, intangible things,(and unimproveable ) things directly related to , and tied only to, the Looks of the guy.
His smv,
His hotness rating.
only.

they are all just Projections from the woman, who is feeling attraction. She’s trying to describe what it feels like when she’s turned on by a guys Looks.
And all the positive Values and characterprojects onto him.
they are just “smoke” to try and catch .

and can’t be improved very much, if at all.

because they are not “real”!
They are not improveable things, following any advice on the forum at all really. Except going to the gym and dressing well. And approaching girls in his smv league (or below)

which is the oldest and most basic men’s advice , well known , since time,

Like, for the forum to be of any use , then it follow that guys just post up pictures of
(A) their face
(B) full shot of their body dressed in their style
(c) list their height

and then
The same data for the woman they are talking about.

then everyone just sees clearly and can tell immediately.;

-she’s out of you league bro! You can’t pick her up bro

- she’s below your looksmatch, I can see how you easily picked her up and your pickup went so well (you’re so suave bro!)

- she’s about looks match, you may have a chance , but she’s on the fence about it , so don’t bother

even the basics behavioural advice of ‘leading’ then…Becomes questionable .

The woman does the leading here,
and even if she doesn’t straight up lead like here,
She will help the guy out, if she’s attracted to his looks.
She will make it easy for the guys she’s attracted to,

so don’t even sweat it”leading” guys,

no need to flirt,
No need to do much at all.

except feign some “authentic interest” - ie ask interesting personal questions .

Mayhe Throw a clever line (or two) in for some flash .. (if you want but not necessary).

Ask logistic questions.

just approach and show interest basically.

that’s it.

so then… that debunks the forum.
And also debunks almost all of ‘Game ‘.

there isn’t really any ‘Game of behaviour .’
There isn’t really any ‘Inner Game’
Not much to Authenticity
And no ‘So Suave’
No ‘being Charming’
No flirting necessary,
Nothing.
It’s all pretty much SMOKE.

that’s why I’m wound up SG .

it’s all just women talking about her Value Projections (her FEELS) about interacting with a handsome looking tall man. She’s describing the ‘smoke’ coming off her p00sy , when she’s interacting with a hot man , above her smv value.

and the only useable advice is
go to the gym
dress and groom well.
approaching girl in your smv league (or below)

wow . Yeah no sh1t.

 

[Cheeky_James]

@characternote i think you would agree with the above assessment of Game now right ?

 

[Sega Genesis]

no need to flirt,
No need to do much at all.

I think that's precisely what AG is saying CJ. Did we watch the same video? Listen to his commentary?

Stop "trying" to Game. It's not necessary.. it's basically your vibe and YES looks I agree with that!

But if a man's got the looks but crappy vibe and/or trying to Game me too hard with canned pick-up lines etc, I'll politely excuse myself from the conversation.

AG's game (if you want to even call it that) was so on point, he eventually had HER leading and seducing HIM!

Isn't this what you want, what you're aiming for?

Not sure why you're negatively judging him and his approach/style for something that actually worked.

And by the way I never even heard of him until @nicksaiz65 attached his video as a man who knows what he's doing. . Nor this Avery guy you referred to.

I just liked what I watched/listened to and wanted to comment as a woman who gets approached relatively often, that's all.

You do you man.

 

[characternote]

@characternote i think you would agree with the above assessment of Game now right ?

My view is that 'game' is more or less about not messing up and banging pretty much every girl who wants you (without messing up) as opposed to essentially forcing attraction which was kind of the lie that the community was built on. It's about screening. Not conversion. A bit like a Vince Vaughn (in character) quote where he said "I might not bang every girl I want, but I do bang every girl that wants me!". I've never seen anything that validates the old school principle of 'seduction' (in the traditional sense of the word). It's fair to argue that the best we have in terms of evidence are the big name coaches, and none of them have ever really impressed me much, tbh. In hindsight it always looks more or less like they play numbers game, and then bang the greens (or the very strong 'maybes' which are really 'yes girls' in my personal opinion)

Avery: I didn't watch the vid, but i'm well aware of him. I'm assuming it's a new vid from his new passport bro angle? (same as other PUA's end up doing. J anthony, Steve Jabba etc etc. Move somewhere where the fish might bite!!). He pretty much runs 'normal guy game'. Basic social exchange really. "I like your jacket", "what's your name", "what brings you to Vegas?", "you're kind of cute" etc. I mean, I always find it funny how these PUA's think they are doing something special enough that they can charge 5k for a weekend bootcamp!! lol. Who needs to 'learn' the above?!!!

What tends to happen is they purposely over-complicate it all in their courses and books etc, but then when it comes too actually approaching a girl, they drop 95% of the stuff they talk about and teach and revert to, what is essentially, their own unique personality. (Which is another topic). Coach Kyle does this too. Actually he made a recent vid where lots of the comments were calling him out. He talks about how you should kind of never ask questions and make cold reads instead (as if that has some sort of special seduction power!) but then in his infield, he was literally just doing the same 'normal guy off the street game', asking her name, what she does blablabla. (ps - he just relies on his looks of course. I have his course. His private infield proves my point better than I could tbh)

I don't think Avery (or anyone else) is doing anything 'special' when a girl is seemingly leading the attraction and initiating flirting etc, other than simply approaching the right girl! (they call it 'getting lucky' for a reason lol). When you approach the girls who want you (especially at night) they will often do a LOT of the heavy lifting for you in my experience.

 

[nicksaiz65]

My view is that 'game' is more or less about not messing up and banging pretty much every girl who wants you (without messing up) as opposed to essentially forcing attraction which was kind of the lie that the community was built on. It's about screening. Not conversion. A bit like a Vince Vaughn (in character) quote where he said "I might not bang every girl I want, but I do bang every girl that wants me!". I've never seen anything that validates the old school principle of 'seduction' (in the traditional sense of the word). It's fair to argue that the best we have in terms of evidence are the big name coaches, and none of them have ever really impressed me much, tbh. In hindsight it always looks more or less like they play numbers game, and then bang the greens (or the very strong 'maybes' which are really 'yes girls' in my personal opinion)

Avery: I didn't watch the vid, but i'm well aware of him. I'm assuming it's a new vid from his new passport bro angle? (same as other PUA's end up doing. J anthony, Steve Jabba etc etc. Move somewhere where the fish might bite!!). He pretty much runs 'normal guy game'. Basic social exchange really. "I like your jacket", "what's your name", "what brings you to Vegas?", "you're kind of cute" etc. I mean, I always find it funny how these PUA's think they are doing something special enough that they can charge 5k for a weekend bootcamp!! lol. Who needs to 'learn' the above?!!!

What tends to happen is they purposely over-complicate it all in their courses and books etc, but then when it comes too actually approaching a girl, they drop 95% of the stuff they talk about and teach and revert to, what is essentially, their own unique personality. (Which is another topic). Coach Kyle does this too. Actually he made a recent vid where lots of the comments were calling him out. He talks about how you should kind of never ask questions and make cold reads instead (as if that has some sort of special seduction power!) but then in his infield, he was literally just doing the same 'normal guy off the street game', asking her name, what she does blablabla. (ps - he just relies on his looks of course. I have his course. His private infield proves my point better than I could tbh)

I don't think Avery (or anyone else) is doing anything 'special' when a girl is seemingly leading the attraction and initiating flirting etc, other than simply approaching the right girl! (they call it 'getting lucky' for a reason lol). When you approach the girls who want you (especially at night) they will often do a LOT of the heavy lifting for you in my experience.

I think game is mostly maxing your looks and playing the numbers till you find girls that are into you.

You still need “game” after that though. Like Sega said, vibe, and not coming off like a weirdo. And you have to move it forward. A girl can be into you and you can still blow it by not moving things forward.