LittleBigOne
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I was just wondering about this. There must be amazing stories which can help other DJ´s.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Give your experience of how a girl showed you that she was (is) attracted to you
- Thread starter LittleBigOne
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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-She touches you frequently
-She contacts you frequently
-She goes out of her way to see you
-She does favors for you
-Frequent eye contact in conversations. If she's locking eyes with you for prolonged periods of time.
-She laughs a lot in conversation with you, even if your jokes are stupid.
-She calls you handsome (not like your mom lol)
-She compliments you on what you're wearing
-If you've been dating her, she asks if you've been dating other people
-She wants to meet your friends (to make sure they aren't getting you into trouble lol)
-she texts you really late at night, or sends you a "good morning"/"good night" text.
The list goes on.. The way i see it, is you shouldn't need the girl to show she's attracted to you.. You show her that you're attracted to her by making a move. Not by being an AFC and having emotional diarrhea on her.
-She contacts you frequently
-She goes out of her way to see you
-She does favors for you
-Frequent eye contact in conversations. If she's locking eyes with you for prolonged periods of time.
-She laughs a lot in conversation with you, even if your jokes are stupid.
-She calls you handsome (not like your mom lol)
-She compliments you on what you're wearing
-If you've been dating her, she asks if you've been dating other people
-She wants to meet your friends (to make sure they aren't getting you into trouble lol)
-she texts you really late at night, or sends you a "good morning"/"good night" text.
The list goes on.. The way i see it, is you shouldn't need the girl to show she's attracted to you.. You show her that you're attracted to her by making a move. Not by being an AFC and having emotional diarrhea on her.
loveorlust
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Ahaha!! rarely any replies to this thread! that's because most of the chumps on here have ZERO experience! As in the amount of time they actually spend talking to girls!
I might be able to help you out.
I've been doing it for a few years now and have pretty much mastered my approach to a point where most (if not all) of the numbers I get are real, done within 5 minutes of meeting them (without wasting time building rapport with a girl who has no sexual interest in you or trying to build attraction with a girl who would never in a million years go out with to you like she could be really in love with someone else and he might be seducing the crap out of her so she doesn't need you), and come with a girl who at least has some interest in me. However, I'm not all that great (yet) at converting them from pick ups to dates, mainly because of my behavior after I get their numbers but that's another story. For now can tell you how I know they may be interested in you romantically.
I've noticed that girls who might be thinking romance will care if you look at another woman in front of her. Don't drool over other women in front of her and try to keep your eyes away from other women when in front of her but if you happen to slip up and she notices it, that could be sign she has some romantic interest in you. That is, she views you as a potential partner.
I noticed that when I ask a girl to meetup with me for drinks or to go to the movies, and she's unavailable, she would suggest another day. That could mean she wants to see you too.
When your with her, if you catch her glancing at your lips while you talk or another portion of your body, like your back or hands, when you're "looking away" it could mean she's sexually attracted to you. Remember tho, just cause a woman's sexually attracted to you, doesn't mean she'll act on it.
Have you tried role-playing via text or in person? Like pretending your her husband and she's your wife. Does she play along or at least allow it without any objection? Could mean she likes your humor, which is better than she not liking it at all. So maybe that's a sign too but not sure about this one as she could just be taking it as you being funny. And that doesn't necessarily mean she's into you.
Also, if she doesn't bring up a boyfriend. It's a good sign. Especially if she has one
You'll notice, however, that if you come on too strong, show neediness or some other off putting quality, she'll bring up that boyfriend to get you TO BACK OFF. Doesn't necessity mean she wants you to back off permanently. Could just mean to chill for now. So try again, this time without the bull**** that puts women off. Be cool and don't sweat the girl. You'll notice that if you do, the boyfriend all of sudden disappears from conversations! lol
I have yet to get really good at converting my pick ups from numbers to dates as I've made many mistakes in trying to do so along the way which as resulted in them not wanting to talk to me anymore so can't really help you any further. After that, I will probably still need to good at another level, converting my dates to sex. So even tho I've been doing this for several years now, I have a long ways to go but remember the fun is in the doing!
One final note: (and this is very important): most non-experience idiots who think they know seduction will tell you that once you're in the "friend zone" it's over. First off, a woman may use the friend context so she can get to know you first all along being attracted to you. In other words, just because she says lets be friends doesn't mean she isn't attracted to you, yes, sexually. So be her "friend" and show her that you're an attractive man. Then when the time comes, make that move and you'll see all of sudden you guys are "friends with benefits" lol
I might be able to help you out.
I've been doing it for a few years now and have pretty much mastered my approach to a point where most (if not all) of the numbers I get are real, done within 5 minutes of meeting them (without wasting time building rapport with a girl who has no sexual interest in you or trying to build attraction with a girl who would never in a million years go out with to you like she could be really in love with someone else and he might be seducing the crap out of her so she doesn't need you), and come with a girl who at least has some interest in me. However, I'm not all that great (yet) at converting them from pick ups to dates, mainly because of my behavior after I get their numbers but that's another story. For now can tell you how I know they may be interested in you romantically.
I've noticed that girls who might be thinking romance will care if you look at another woman in front of her. Don't drool over other women in front of her and try to keep your eyes away from other women when in front of her but if you happen to slip up and she notices it, that could be sign she has some romantic interest in you. That is, she views you as a potential partner.
I noticed that when I ask a girl to meetup with me for drinks or to go to the movies, and she's unavailable, she would suggest another day. That could mean she wants to see you too.
When your with her, if you catch her glancing at your lips while you talk or another portion of your body, like your back or hands, when you're "looking away" it could mean she's sexually attracted to you. Remember tho, just cause a woman's sexually attracted to you, doesn't mean she'll act on it.
Have you tried role-playing via text or in person? Like pretending your her husband and she's your wife. Does she play along or at least allow it without any objection? Could mean she likes your humor, which is better than she not liking it at all. So maybe that's a sign too but not sure about this one as she could just be taking it as you being funny. And that doesn't necessarily mean she's into you.
Also, if she doesn't bring up a boyfriend. It's a good sign. Especially if she has one
You'll notice, however, that if you come on too strong, show neediness or some other off putting quality, she'll bring up that boyfriend to get you TO BACK OFF. Doesn't necessity mean she wants you to back off permanently. Could just mean to chill for now. So try again, this time without the bull**** that puts women off. Be cool and don't sweat the girl. You'll notice that if you do, the boyfriend all of sudden disappears from conversations! lolI have yet to get really good at converting my pick ups from numbers to dates as I've made many mistakes in trying to do so along the way which as resulted in them not wanting to talk to me anymore so can't really help you any further. After that, I will probably still need to good at another level, converting my dates to sex. So even tho I've been doing this for several years now, I have a long ways to go but remember the fun is in the doing!
One final note: (and this is very important): most non-experience idiots who think they know seduction will tell you that once you're in the "friend zone" it's over. First off, a woman may use the friend context so she can get to know you first all along being attracted to you. In other words, just because she says lets be friends doesn't mean she isn't attracted to you, yes, sexually. So be her "friend" and show her that you're an attractive man. Then when the time comes, make that move and you'll see all of sudden you guys are "friends with benefits" lol
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loveorlust
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Sounds like you got that from the internet.Alex DeLarge said:
Alex DeLarge said:
How sad, AFC's bashing other AFCs in a poor attempt to look Alpha. You're a joke dude! lol
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
loveorlust
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Oh no, another clueless idiot.pdx1138 said:
Complimenting your looks, style, and personality
Noticing details about your presentation; when it changes (ie, haircut)
Flirting and touching
Showing sexual interest
Staring
Coming into your space constantly
Smiling, laughing, having a good time around you
Talking about the future with you; sharing dreams about you
Contacting you often; showing genuine interest; remembering details
Acting overly excited, happy, and girly
Talking about sexual things they want to do with you
Turning conversations sexual
Acting shy, nervous, high strung, figgity, playing with hair
It's pretty obvious when someone is interested. I could provide specific examples, but there's different ways for each girl. Literally, thousands of ways they show these things. The easiest sign is compliments... Saying you're sexy, hot, handsome, etc, followed by sexual talk.
Noticing details about your presentation; when it changes (ie, haircut)
Flirting and touching
Showing sexual interest
Staring
Coming into your space constantly
Smiling, laughing, having a good time around you
Talking about the future with you; sharing dreams about you
Contacting you often; showing genuine interest; remembering details
Acting overly excited, happy, and girly
Talking about sexual things they want to do with you
Turning conversations sexual
Acting shy, nervous, high strung, figgity, playing with hair
It's pretty obvious when someone is interested. I could provide specific examples, but there's different ways for each girl. Literally, thousands of ways they show these things. The easiest sign is compliments... Saying you're sexy, hot, handsome, etc, followed by sexual talk.
Forgot to add / too lazy to edit:
Going out of her way to be close to, and touch you
Complimenting or checking out your body
Trying to set up 1on1 plans outside of work/friends
Wanting to see you RIGHT NOW; no excuses or delays
Thinking about you; missing you; saying you're on their mind
Contacting you constantly
Going out of their way to see you
Asking personal questions
Showing concern when you act up or avoid them (means they care)
Becoming jealous when you talk to, or about other girls
Saying you turn her on
Probably more I'm forgetting...
Going out of her way to be close to, and touch you
Complimenting or checking out your body
Trying to set up 1on1 plans outside of work/friends
Wanting to see you RIGHT NOW; no excuses or delays
Thinking about you; missing you; saying you're on their mind
Contacting you constantly
Going out of their way to see you
Asking personal questions
Showing concern when you act up or avoid them (means they care)
Becoming jealous when you talk to, or about other girls
Saying you turn her on
Probably more I'm forgetting...
You don't need to be told. You already know!
Put yourself in their shoes, would you call/text a girl out of the blue unless you were trying to get your **** wet?
Would you attempt to keep a decent conversation going over anything apart from face to face with an ugly girl you had no interest in banging?
I wouldn't.
And so far as her being excited round you, giggling like a school girl and twirling her labia, use your ****ing gut - it's usually right. If it's not, so what? :trouble:
You are the one that should be going for it: a few of the hottest girls I've nailed showed pretty much zero interest aside from simply replying to any contact.
This is mental masturbation.
Put yourself in their shoes, would you call/text a girl out of the blue unless you were trying to get your **** wet?
Would you attempt to keep a decent conversation going over anything apart from face to face with an ugly girl you had no interest in banging?
I wouldn't.
And so far as her being excited round you, giggling like a school girl and twirling her labia, use your ****ing gut - it's usually right. If it's not, so what? :trouble:
You are the one that should be going for it: a few of the hottest girls I've nailed showed pretty much zero interest aside from simply replying to any contact.
This is mental masturbation.
Love: people usually end up in the friend zone when they don't escalate sexually. They put THEMSELVES there. You can get out, unless she's not attracted to you. Then its a waste of time.
The difference is between starting off in the FZ (ie, no chance), and ending up there (still possible). Acting like boyfriend material will get you out of there quickly. Acting too friendly keeps you there.
If there's interest outside of being friends - they will let it be known. They'll still show all these romantic signs and what not. They might be afraid of rejection also.
The difference is between starting off in the FZ (ie, no chance), and ending up there (still possible). Acting like boyfriend material will get you out of there quickly. Acting too friendly keeps you there.
If there's interest outside of being friends - they will let it be known. They'll still show all these romantic signs and what not. They might be afraid of rejection also.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
I've seen the attraction before, but didn't act soon enough. Here are the ones that stood out for me in hindsight.
One time, this lady (rather good looking too) was going out of her way to annoy me. She sat behind me bumping into my seat. Later that evening, she was horsing around with my friend and looking directly at me with those "I want you" eyes. Everyone in the group went to a bar and I believe she tagged along. I didn't have a car and wasn't sure how late the others were going to hang out, so I split by grabbing a ride back. I should've just stayed to see how things would've played out there. Oh well.
Another time was when I got to know this cute blonde I worked with for one night at a concert event. At one point, I was teaching her how to use the ticket scanner and we were touching hands. I could tell there was something more between us right then and there as we slowed down a bit when our hands met. Also, as the crowd goers were mostly in the stadium, the remaining ones weren't going through my turnstile as much. So, I jokingly said, "ehh, nobody likes me". She responded with, "That's not true". It was her way of saying she liked me. Unfortunately, she wasn't there often, but she sure remembered me from just that one day we worked together. Everytime we saw each other in the hallway or elsewhere, it was like looking at her in slow motion. That's the only way I can describe it. I'm damn sure she wanted me to make a move and I'll regret that one til the day I die. That would have been a great sexual experience too because there was so much going on between us on so many levels.
And yet another time.. a friend of mine had wandered into this establishment and asked the lady there for directions within the building. I was checking this chick out by the way. I did the visual up and down scan and she must have noticed. When we walked past her, she grabbed my tie, pulled me in closer and said, "I like your tie". All I said was, "thanks" and walked past (dumbass me). I'm pretty sure that this incident would have resulted in an overnight lay, but of course I didn't pursue it.
Here's one more, although I don't know if this was directed at me or not. I was walking out of a restaurant and this one cute chick said rather loudly right next to her friend, "I'm craving c*ck". That was just as I walked past her. Her friend was shocked. I was like, WTF? Do women really blurt stuff like this out? Then again, it may have not been me she was addressing it to. If it was though and I had the guts to say it, I would've just leaned in to her and said, "I think that can be arranged". haha.
I've already talked on this board before about my battle with autism. Just be thankful you don't have it. That's all I got to say there. You miss out on so much more because of it.
- Xanthus
One time, this lady (rather good looking too) was going out of her way to annoy me. She sat behind me bumping into my seat. Later that evening, she was horsing around with my friend and looking directly at me with those "I want you" eyes. Everyone in the group went to a bar and I believe she tagged along. I didn't have a car and wasn't sure how late the others were going to hang out, so I split by grabbing a ride back. I should've just stayed to see how things would've played out there. Oh well.
Another time was when I got to know this cute blonde I worked with for one night at a concert event. At one point, I was teaching her how to use the ticket scanner and we were touching hands. I could tell there was something more between us right then and there as we slowed down a bit when our hands met. Also, as the crowd goers were mostly in the stadium, the remaining ones weren't going through my turnstile as much. So, I jokingly said, "ehh, nobody likes me". She responded with, "That's not true". It was her way of saying she liked me. Unfortunately, she wasn't there often, but she sure remembered me from just that one day we worked together. Everytime we saw each other in the hallway or elsewhere, it was like looking at her in slow motion. That's the only way I can describe it. I'm damn sure she wanted me to make a move and I'll regret that one til the day I die. That would have been a great sexual experience too because there was so much going on between us on so many levels.
And yet another time.. a friend of mine had wandered into this establishment and asked the lady there for directions within the building. I was checking this chick out by the way. I did the visual up and down scan and she must have noticed. When we walked past her, she grabbed my tie, pulled me in closer and said, "I like your tie". All I said was, "thanks" and walked past (dumbass me). I'm pretty sure that this incident would have resulted in an overnight lay, but of course I didn't pursue it.
Here's one more, although I don't know if this was directed at me or not. I was walking out of a restaurant and this one cute chick said rather loudly right next to her friend, "I'm craving c*ck". That was just as I walked past her. Her friend was shocked. I was like, WTF? Do women really blurt stuff like this out? Then again, it may have not been me she was addressing it to. If it was though and I had the guts to say it, I would've just leaned in to her and said, "I think that can be arranged".
haha.I've already talked on this board before about my battle with autism. Just be thankful you don't have it. That's all I got to say there. You miss out on so much more because of it.
- Xanthus
thefonz
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Drop the ego, dude.loveorlust said:
Mike32ct
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She grinds you face to face in the club.
On the other hand, if she keeps her back to you the whole time, this is generally low interest.
On the other hand, if she keeps her back to you the whole time, this is generally low interest.
YES!! Very true.floydb25 said:
Girls with different types of personalities will express it in different ways. I think the best thing to look at is the eyes. Eye contact will usually give it away. With deep eye contact, some girls will stare back into your eyes and give an obvious expression of glee or desire. Others will respond with fleeting eye contact if they are shy or maybe you make them nervous. The smile with extended eye contact is a dead giveaway.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Hollow.man
Don Juan
Agreeing to meet unde your conditions.. Ie time, place etc. traveling to see you. Initiating kino. Licking your arshole.
drift king
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I've had all of these mentioned above.. but then after a 3rd date she'll text me to say she was never attracted to me!! WTF?
Is this cos her present feelings are what matter and whatever happened before doesnt?
i tried to reason with her that she was.. but that's stupid having that kind of convo i realize but it just baffles me that a girl will show all kinds of IL and suddenly when she no longer feels it, states she never did. it's like a stab to the heart.
Is this cos her present feelings are what matter and whatever happened before doesnt?
i tried to reason with her that she was.. but that's stupid having that kind of convo i realize but it just baffles me that a girl will show all kinds of IL and suddenly when she no longer feels it, states she never did. it's like a stab to the heart.
You never reason with a girl about her feelings, you think you can make her see sense that she really likes you? If she said that to you then just accept and move on, she's not joking and it's not a test.drift king said:
The main thing at all is to look for the signs, and do things to gauge interest level. Kino, kino, kino! You can almost always tell if a chick is initially interested in you by how she responds to subtle kinos. If she touches back or shows no distaste then you are good.
Eye contact is a given. Also, if she laughs at your jokes or humor, and makes effort in conversation.
Aside from all that, and the obvious, I believe for the most part you can kind of just naturally know. There will be a bit of chemistry between you and her. I know with myself my gut is seldom wrong on these things.
Eye contact is a given. Also, if she laughs at your jokes or humor, and makes effort in conversation.
Aside from all that, and the obvious, I believe for the most part you can kind of just naturally know. There will be a bit of chemistry between you and her. I know with myself my gut is seldom wrong on these things.
Yes. She lost interest. This is similar to saying they never loved or cared about you. They go by how they feel RIGHT NOW. It doesn't mean they never liked you.drift king said:
This is why I recommend not getting ahead of yourself during the infatuation stage. If she's crazy about you, and you become crazy about her, and she loses interest - you are screwed. Attachment too early is a bad idea, because feelings can change in an instant. This is especially true during infatuation. They always come on strong, make you feel special, talk about the future, etc, during this stage. Don't take it too seriously, or fall too hard. As soon as she realizes you aren't perfect, or whatever - she'll drop you like nothing, and you'll be left wondering what the hell just happened. Probably trying to win her over, convince her that she likes you, etc. All bad ideas.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.