"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

Read more...

Girls with stables of guys

Jifto

Don Juan
Joined
May 20, 2017
Messages
108
Reaction score
70
Ive been noticing more and more girls that like to keep “stables” of dudes. These aren’t plates, but rather well maintained packs of orbiters that all think they’ll be the one to swoop in. I’ve been part of this before, I’m sure, but I don’t think I saw it before taking the red pill.

What’s the deal with these women? It seems like a major red flag to me.
 
Last edited:

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

Read more...

Billtx49

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 23, 2013
Messages
5,989
Reaction score
5,410
Location
DFW
Yes, a major red flag for an insecure attention wh0re.
If they’re playing that game, insecurity is involved at some level. If she needs 10 guys in tow to feel good about herself, she’s weak…
 
Last edited:

resilient

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 15, 2005
Messages
1,636
Reaction score
1,366
Daddy issues for sure.

She didn't get the validation from him as a child and maybe even now in the present, so she goes around collecting orbiters to feel better about herself.

Quantity over quality.

She has a moment weak notice in the day, she has an assortment of options to hit up for text, call, email, or social media. It's up to any one of those guys to be aggressive/masculine/seductive enough to go for the lay. Otherwise, they're just electing to be an unich suitable just for attention and male validation.
 
A

AJ84

Guest
Ive been noticing more and more girls that like to keep “stables” of dudes. These aren’t plates, but rather well maintained packs of orbiters that all think they’ll be the one to swoop in. I’ve been part of this before, I’m sure, but I don’t think I saw it before taking the red pill.

What’s the deal with these women? It seems like a major red flag to me.
No different really from men spinning plates is it? It comes down to options and having them.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

A

AJ84

Guest
Big difference between female plates there for sex and male orbiters used only for attention and validation…
Yes. Some men have plates for sex and some women have orbiters for attention and validation, as pointed out many times on this site. Are both that different? I don't think so.

Not saying it's a good thing, just saying it is what it is. Maybe it's a red flag but a lot of hot girls have male orbiters and a lot of guys here want hot girls right? So what do you do? Remove male orbiters so there is no competition or compete with male orbiters so there is no competition? Kind of the same thing right?

The other option is to avoid girls who have orbiters, which means avoiding most hot girls and finding the select few hot girls who are not spinning plates (aka orbiters). They are out there but, according to many people on this site, they are few and far between.
 
A

AJ84

Guest
It may not be what people want to hear but a lot of girls are hustling game not that different from men spinning plates, based on stories that are posted here.

People can complain about how bad it is, but that won't stop it from continuing. It's just how things are for many women with options, just like you guys with your plates.

Not everyone is like that of course but it seems to be kind of mainstream now. Especially with younger men and women.

Those good old courting days are over.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

resilient

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 15, 2005
Messages
1,636
Reaction score
1,366
...seems to be kind of mainstream now. Especially with younger men and women. Those good old courting days are over.
On Social Media
That is true thanks to social media. There are a ton of people sending friend requests on Twitter, Facebook (Messenger), Instagram, Whatsapp, Skype, Snapcat, and more. Most of these apps have doubled the effort in direct messaging through instant chat or in a brief message like email without all the options included. If a guy's game is tight enough and doesn't waste time, he'll get her out for a date or hook up and escalate from there. Simps and AFCs will hang around in her stable hoping she'll chase them or stick around just for mutual attention.

On Old Courting
I miss those old courting days when people made plans through phone calls instead of (near instant rapid in many cases) text messaging. You heard the person's voice through the other phone, guessed at interest level, vocal tonality, inflections in voice, now they are lines on a screen that are easier to misinterpret.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

That_dude

Don Juan
Joined
Sep 27, 2017
Messages
160
Reaction score
70
Age
39
With social media and online dating, a lot of women have a stable of orbiters. A lot of girls I've meet online.. Tell me they get hundreds of emails everyday. They can't even go thru most of them :rolleyes: I'm guessing they like the attention :rolleyes:
 

El Payaso

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jan 16, 2014
Messages
3,621
Reaction score
2,624
It may not be what people want to hear but a lot of girls are hustling game not that different from men spinning plates, based on stories that are posted here.

People can complain about how bad it is, but that won't stop it from continuing. It's just how things are for many women with options, just like you guys with your plates.

Not everyone is like that of course but it seems to be kind of mainstream now. Especially with younger men and women.

Those good old courting days are over.
Yup. Social media has made it easier than ever for women to have at least a dozen men at her beck and call.
 

resilient

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 15, 2005
Messages
1,636
Reaction score
1,366
With social media and online dating, a lot of women have a stable of orbiters. A lot of girls I've meet online.. Tell me they get hundreds of emails everyday. They can't even go thru most of them :rolleyes: I'm guessing they like the attention :rolleyes:
Yeah... too many choices.

 
A

AJ84

Guest
Female perspective: Guys who have a genuine passion other than getting girls are more attractive to girls. It implies an interest in self that is not based on validation and affection from girls, like it's nice to have it, but not needed. Having a girl compliments his life, but doesn't complete it. It's intriguing. It's stands out among orbiters.

It's actually sexy when men have that laid back vibe about women, paired with some charm and social skills. Gets her thinking about him.
 

The Duke

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 4, 2008
Messages
6,539
Reaction score
11,493
I had a gf I dated last year about this time. She had me fooled. She was very confident and secure......but deep below the surface she had some attachment/security issues. Once her and I got too close, she pulled away from me and spent more time talking to her orbiters. With the orbiters she kept the power and remained in control. This was her comfort zone and she the value she got from 5 orbiters was worth more than what she got from me.

Guys, its a crapshoot with today's woman. Your chances of long term success are slim even when you filter hard for good material. That attraction they have for attention/validation is like giving free crack to a street wh0re. They aren't going to stay away from the social media/texting(free crack). The draw is too strong.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

Read more...

The Duke

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 4, 2008
Messages
6,539
Reaction score
11,493
Female perspective: Guys who have a genuine passion other than getting girls are more attractive to girls. It implies an interest in self that is not based on validation and affection from girls, like it's nice to have it, but not needed. Having a girl compliments his life, but doesn't complete it. It's intriguing. It's stands out among orbiters.

It's actually sexy when men have that laid back vibe about women, paired with some charm and social skills. Gets her thinking about him.
Yeah, I've done all that before. I am that guy.

You got blinders on to what guys deal with if you think that's going to solve the orbiter problem.
 

guru1000

Master Don Juan
Joined
Sep 20, 2007
Messages
5,299
Reaction score
4,338
I had a gf I dated last year about this time. She had me fooled. She was very confident and secure......but deep below the surface she had some attachment/security issues. Once her and I got too close, she pulled away from me and spent more time talking to her orbiters. With the orbiters she kept the power and remained in control. This was her comfort zone and she the value she got from 5 orbiters was worth more than what she got from me.

Guys, its a crapshoot with today's woman. Your chances of long term success are slim even when you filter hard for good material. That attraction they have for attention/validation is like giving free crack to a street wh0re. They aren't going to stay away from the social media/texting(free crack). The draw is too strong.
Howiestern, the trick is to get into their "mind." Become chick crack.

Push/pull, great sex, emotional & psychological connection and uplifting > Social Validation (to some)

I call it the Mason frame: that is feeding into the psyche of the woman that will figuratively make her kill for you.
 

That_dude

Don Juan
Joined
Sep 27, 2017
Messages
160
Reaction score
70
Age
39
Female perspective: Guys who have a genuine passion other than getting girls are more attractive to girls. It implies an interest in self that is not based on validation and affection from girls, like it's nice to have it, but not needed. Having a girl compliments his life, but doesn't complete it. It's intriguing. It's stands out among orbiters.

It's actually sexy when men have that laid back vibe about women, paired with some charm and social skills. Gets her thinking about him.
Good post. I’m not stressing or concerned about women. I’d like to take my career to the next level. There are plenty of things I’d like to do and places to see. I have good friends from childhood for support. Dating/relationships/marriage are all a crap shoot in today’s society. If the right one comes a long and wants to roll.. Great.. If not, I’m good too :cool: I think that’s the way single men should be.

Example.. I hopped on a plane to Miami a few months back and had a great time solo. I don’t have to be dependent on someone else for happiness and attention
 
Last edited:
A

AJ84

Guest
Yeah, I've done all that before. I am that guy.

You got blinders on to what guys deal with if you think that's going to solve the orbiter problem.
I didn't say it will necessarily solve the orbiter problem and doing those things doesn't guarantee it will go your way but what's better? Being an orbiter who isn't getting the girl or standing out? What makes you feel better about yourself from those two options, regardless of the outcome?
 
A

AJ84

Guest
Good post. I’m not stressing or concerned about women. I’d like to take my career to the next level. There are plenty of things I’d like to do and places to see. I have good friends from childhood for support. Dating/relationships/marriage are all a crap shoot in today’s society. If the right one comes a long and wants to roll.. Great.. If not, I’m good too :cool: I think that’s the way single men should be.

Example.. I hopped on a plane to Miami a few months back and had a great time solo. I don’t have to be dependent on someone else for happiness and attention
That's an excellent way to approach life in general and dating in particular.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

Read more...

Top