tryst type
Master Don Juan
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What the? I've had two girls admit this to me in the past week after I felt they weren't feeling it and I simply moved on. What's going on? Something I'm doing wrong?
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Just goes to show that there is no formula.tryst type said:Then days will pass and they'll ask why I stopped contacting them. I say I thought not hearing from you meant you weren't interested so I moved on, then they admit they were interested just wanted me to pursue more.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
I would advise to avoid the bold, IMO and experience it is 10x better to "leave things open". If the plate has any interests she will give you subtle hints for future dates during the first. EX: she talks about other date ideas, she's kinoing you.tryst type said:What I mean is, the date will go fine then when I follow up I never hear from them. I'll send a text a couple days later and nothing.
Then days will pass and they'll ask why I stopped contacting them. I say I thought not hearing from you meant you weren't interested so I moved on, then they admit they were interested just wanted me to pursue more.
Whaat?
Only thing I can think of is at the end of the first date I don't make mention of another or try to set one up before she leaves, I just leave things open.
Right there.Desdinova said:Always assume interest unless proven otherwise.
So just act as if I hadn't noticed?hockeyfreak79 said:I would advise to avoid the bold, IMO and experience it is 10x better to "leave things open". If the plate has any interests she will give you subtle hints for future dates during the first. EX: she talks about other date ideas, she's kinoing you.
I say I thought not hearing from you meant you weren't interested so I moved on.
I would avoid saying this^^ Always display 100% confidence.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You tell her the truth. You tell her "you didn't text me back, I guess your fingers were broken?"tryst type said:So just act as if I hadn't noticed?
In some cases these women did mention other date ideas during the first meet.Knight's Cross said:HF 79 is right, every chick that was high interest with me gave it away on date 1 by mentioning date ideas during the first date. That's chick speak for, "Please call me in the near future I want to spend more time with you".
Sounds like you weren't these girls first option. Action, Action, Action. If a woman isn't making it easy i.e. answering your texts promptly, tossing date ideas, etc. then she isn't interested.
Could also be an attempt to set the frame in her favor right from the outset (women do that too, even if they don't call it "setting the frame"). The good news is that you don't have to play her silly little game and "pursue" her. Women like that are generally toxic and to be avoided.zekko said:If she IS interested, but doesn't answer my texts, then I would consider that a display of disrespect. I'm not going to put up with a bunch of games from a woman.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
I think that a lot of those women are lying about you being their first "online date". It seems that more than 50% of the women I meet online claim that they just joined the site a week ago (most also claim that their friends made them do it...) and haven't been on any dates yet. If this was 1998, I could believe that, but in 2013, it's rather unrealistic.tryst type said:In some cases these women did mention other date ideas during the first meet.
Most of these women I met online, some of which chose me to be the first person they'd meet because as they'd say "it felt ok to as oppose to the other men who messaged me"
Here's a theory, let me know what you guys think. They meet me and have a decent to pretty good time, however since they're getting a number of messages still and I'm sure they love the attention, since our first meet went well it gives them confidence to go out with these other men now.
Agreed. Though I know some were new and after meeting me it gave them some confidence since I'm not creepy and try to grope them all night (at least not in a weird way)Bokanovsky said:I think that a lot of those women are lying about you being their first "online date". It seems that more than 50% of the women I meet online claim that they just joined the site a week ago (most also claim that their friends made them do it...) and haven't been on any dates yet. If this was 1998, I could believe that, but in 2013, it's rather unrealistic.
I think the real problem is that women on online dating sites get so much attention and go on so many dates that it all starts to blend together. Sure she had a good time with you but she also had a good time with 5 other dudes that week. It's classic problem of over-saturation. It's like when you're spinning plates, if the girl is not your top plate, you sometimes don't even feel like replying to her messages cause it seems like a bit of drag.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.