"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

Girl calls and opens up with a bunch of complaints

chancer

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Dec 25, 2001
Messages
456
Reaction score
0
Age
45
Location
California, USA
So she calls and starts complaining about all this bull****, so i just sit the phone down and come back a min later. I was a bit of an ass not caring about any of what she said. After all, she called me on a friday night. And then i turn it around so that we start talking about sex. Which seemed good. But sometimes i get the feeling that she's not all that interested. But when I don't call for a while, she always calls me. We've gone out twice and I don't know if she's really interested or if she's just teasing. When I said she should comeover to my house she said that it was too soon.

Would you even deal with a girl who phones you up and complains about everything? if so how would you deal with it?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

Read more...

Obsidian

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 17, 2006
Messages
2,554
Reaction score
26
Location
TN
sounds like you're doing a decent job with her, but make sure to spin other plates
 

Francisco d'Anconia

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 10, 2003
Messages
15,481
Reaction score
65
Location
Galt's Gulch
chancer said:
...Would you even deal with a girl who phones you up and complains about everything? if so how would you deal with it?
What exactly are you gaining from being her emotional tampon? Not what you may gain in the future, but right now.
 

backbreaker

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 24, 2002
Messages
11,546
Reaction score
572
Location
monrovia, CA
first of all, if she keeps calling, I don't pick up. I don't talk on the phpne.. I hate the damn phone. if you want to talk to me so bad come over my damn house. the phone isn't a toy it's not an enteratainment system. Men have PS3's and Xbox's, women have NOkias and motorolas
 

chancer

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Dec 25, 2001
Messages
456
Reaction score
0
Age
45
Location
California, USA
ok, so for sure. I'm not gonna chat her up on the phone anymore. (i don't chat up the other girls on the phone though...) I'm just gonna plan to do something and see what's good.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

Read more...

Obsidian

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 17, 2006
Messages
2,554
Reaction score
26
Location
TN
first of all, if she keeps calling, I don't pick up.

yeah, that's a good point...sorry I forgot the mention that. Only use phones to set up physical encounters. Same with AIM, for the most part.
 

mrRuckus

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 14, 2005
Messages
4,382
Reaction score
85
Tell her you'll buy her ice cream and when you meet her there get her a kidney punch sundae.
 

Axcell

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 12, 2007
Messages
519
Reaction score
6
Obsidians tip = the best from this thread - I suggest you use it.
The phone should NEVER be used to have a conversation, save conversation for when you see her.. if you are on the phone with her, you are missing all the kino action. ;)
 

backbreaker

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 24, 2002
Messages
11,546
Reaction score
572
Location
monrovia, CA
isn't that what I said?

Damn I haven't used AIM in so long I had to think for a second what AIM ment.
 

Nightwing

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 21, 2001
Messages
1,177
Reaction score
2
Age
54
Location
Indpls, IN USA
chancer said:
So she calls and starts complaining about all this bull****, so i just sit the phone down and come back a min later. I was a bit of an ass not caring about any of what she said. After all, she called me on a friday night. And then i turn it around so that we start talking about sex. Which seemed good. But sometimes i get the feeling that she's not all that interested. But when I don't call for a while, she always calls me. We've gone out twice and I don't know if she's really interested or if she's just teasing. When I said she should comeover to my house she said that it was too soon.

Would you even deal with a girl who phones you up and complains about everything? if so how would you deal with it?
Sounds like she's using you as the "gay friend".
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

Read more...

Top