"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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getting to know eachother//met her online.....

noirsake

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I had a online dating profile and I only put a paragraph or two of stuff on it, but I got a response (I guess it was a pretty damn good paragraph). She asked if i wanted to chat sometime and i replied, "do you have msn messenger?" she says "no, but i would rather talk to you on the phone to get to know you better" im like damn that was easy.
my point
im gonna reply "ya, its good to know you like communicating like a normal person. whats your #?" assuming shes gonna give it to me, what the hell do I talk about when i call her to "get to know each other better"? Ive never been the best conversationalist on the phone and help of any sort would be AWESOME!!!

I know i need to use c&f and I have that handled, I just don't know what to say to "get to know each other better"
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The Shocker

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I hate talking on the phone, so I would just use it to set up a meet somewhere public, so she doesn't feel intimidated. You can get to know each other then. Phone is better than online, but in person is better than phone.
 

Axcell

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Get the hell off the computer, get her on the phone as SOON as you can.
Say something such as this, "Hey.. I was thinking, how about I take you to a nice place sometime next week, I'm going to need your # for that though.. so we can finally talk like NORMAL people."
 

Dark Chivalry

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Ask her out and have fun in person.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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aussiegoat55

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noirsake said:
I had a online dating profile and I only put a paragraph or two of stuff on it, but I got a response (I guess it was a pretty damn good paragraph). She asked if i wanted to chat sometime and i replied, "do you have msn messenger?" she says "no, but i would rather talk to you on the phone to get to know you better" im like damn that was easy.
my point
im gonna reply "ya, its good to know you like communicating like a normal person. whats your #?" assuming shes gonna give it to me, what the hell do I talk about when i call her to "get to know each other better"? Ive never been the best conversationalist on the phone and help of any sort would be AWESOME!!!

I know i need to use c&f and I have that handled, I just don't know what to say to "get to know each other better"
I would use the phone to set up a date, then get to know her in person. The Shocker put it well.
 
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