"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Gettin with someone at a party

Westwind

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Ok i was at a party realky hammered but i was afraid to approach a really hot chick because she was with a crowd. I kept trying to get my friends to come with me but they wouldn't, so i got scared.


How do you get over that fear and make a move?

Please give me some tips, i really need them.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Westwind

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The Sperminator said:
You were hammered but still afraid. Damn nothing to help you then.

I would have to disagree with you, i can be helped. But only by myself. I have to get more comfortable around women, dancing ,and groups of women. It's never too late.
 

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She wasn't alone? In a set. You'd need to open the set or else catch her alone.
 

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Pay attention to the other chicks first. Make them laugh. Puts her at ease as she is off the hot seat. Make it clear later on she is the one you are interested in with eye contact. She'll get the message.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Rex Man

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I'd suggest waiting till she was alone to reduce the # of factors. Your game could be top-notch but one girl could completely throw a monkey wrench in your program. If you MUST,MUST,MUST approach a group, get a decent wingman. Tell your friend to stop being a bunch of pvssies, it's 2007 and that's not acceptable. :nono:
 

Play the Game

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Too bad you can't just club her and take her back to your cave, like in the good ol' days. :trouble:

Life was so simple back then.
 

Westwind

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Thanks that stuff is helpful except the last one , that's funny.
 

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Two main pieces of advice for you:

1) Desensitization therapy -- You have to expose yourself to anxiety in order to reduce it. Just go for it!
2) Your mindset is probably in error. You're still trying to please the woman instead of just having fun and being a man. In reality, you don't know anything about this girl yet. She could be a b1tch or a total hor; would you still worship her even then? Just go get to know her, be direct, and don't wuss around or let yourself get used.

And remember, everyone makes mistakes! You're still learning, and perfect is boring anyway.
 
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