"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Gene Simmons from KISS gives his view on seducing women and having relationships...

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Guys, I've just seen an interview on YouTube with Gene Simmons from the rock band KISS. He gives his thoughts on seducing women and everything he says is in line with the seduction community. He claims to have had sex with 4600 women too.

He is a natural alpha male. Look at his body language, frame control, his outspoken attitude about seducing women, and watch the way he gets amazing positive reactions from people.

Here's the link to the video if you want to watch it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgwFDFpfKEM
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I wouldn't go so far and call him an ALPHA. Did you not hear him when he said something like, "When you see a beautiful woman, you need to go up to her and kiss her hand"? Such an AFC thing to do. It obviously puts the woman on a pedestal and chips away at you as the prize.

On another note, I think gene Simmons is a Poser. Nothing against dressing a certain way, but the guy doesn't even look like a "Rocker"(not that his previous image was any better..I've actually always thought KISS had a cheesy image). If you're fronting a Hard-Rock band, at least look the part. Reminds me of guys I audition for a Metal band who look like they just came off of Wall St.
 

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edger said:
On another note, I think gene Simmons is a Poser. Nothing against dressing a certain way, but the guy doesn't even look like a "Rocker"(not that his previous image was any better..I've actually always thought KISS had a cheesy image). If you're fronting a Hard-Rock band, at least look the part. Reminds me of guys I audition for a Metal band who look like they just came off of Wall St.
How are old retired jewish rockers suppose to dress? :D He's a business man now, not a rocker. His goal is to make as much money as possible to support his family, his women and his lifestyle. Can't walk around in leather and chains at 40+ he would look like a clown.
 

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edger said:
I wouldn't go so far and call him an ALPHA. Did you not hear him when he said something like, "When you see a beautiful woman, you need to go up to her and kiss her hand"? Such an AFC thing to do. It obviously puts the woman on a pedestal and chips away at you as the prize.
Dude, you're getting too caught up in 'it's afc to do this, afc to do that' type thinking.

If an afc kisses a girl's hand, it's afc. If an alpha male kisses a girl's hand, it's alpha. Remember, it's not what you DO, but who you ARE.
 

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You're all thinking so negatively and you just can't face the fact that someone is so alpha and successful with women.

Gene could almost be a PU guru with his insights and understanding of women.

You're all bitter because he's famous and has a lot of money, but put that aside and learn from his opinions, his body language and his mindset.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Guitar_Whizz said:
You're all thinking so negatively and you just can't face the fact that someone is so alpha and successful with women.

Gene could almost be a PU guru with his insights and understanding of women.

You're all bitter because he's famous and has a lot of money, but put that aside and learn from his opinions, his body language and his mindset.
This whole thing was done a few months ago. You are horribly disillusioned if you think that Gene Simmons is anything near the lady’s man he claims to be. His whole career has been built around convincing others that he and his band had any sort of talent, other than self promotion. Same thing with his claims of 4600 women.

You think he has body language, you don’t know body language. No where do any of the women show anything resembling sexual attraction. I agree with edger, Simmons’ line "When you see a beautiful woman, you need to go up to her and kiss her hand" is not only AFC it is just plain gay. I have never met a guy who was good with women who talked like that. Everyone who did talk like that was the type that ended up with skanks. Have you ever seen Gene Simmons with a really hot chick?

All Gene Simmons knows about women is that there is a segment of the female population that gets a kick out of sexual encounters with rock stars, even ones that aren’t that good. During my college years I played in a band that played parties, bars, and an occasional opening for a known band. Always there were girls around eager to party with the boys in the band.

His opinions, his body language, his attitude, all hogwash.
 

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For once I agree with you, tater tot :yes:
 

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Guitar_Whizz said:
Dude, you're getting too caught up in 'it's afc to do this, afc to do that' type thinking.

If an afc kisses a girl's hand, it's afc. If an alpha male kisses a girl's hand, it's alpha. Remember, it's not what you DO, but who you ARE.
Your ACTIONS and the way you behave are what determine whether you're an AFC or not.

A DJ/Player would not do what Gene Simmons did that I pointed out. It's pedestalizing her and taking away from your "prize" value.
 

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Gene does have that confidence and initiative that helps when going after women, but you have to also remember that his wealth and status play a huge role in his success. It will also color his perception because he's doing what he feels "works", and it does..........for him.
 

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Can't walk around in leather and chains at 40+ he would look like a clown.
I've gotten into this conversation one too many times on here, but when I see responses like this, I feel the need to defend it. I don't see guys at 40+ who wear leather and chains as looking like clowns. Styles don't belong to an age number. Remember that.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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It's about personal choices. Most rock stars could have 4600 women by the time they are done. Most don't do that. Most get married and at least try to settle down. The better question what is it about GS that makes him want 4600 different women, and ALL the risks that entails? I see excessive womanizing as a personal weakness in his makeup and not a strength. Robert Fripp once commented that in the beginning Groupies are a Godsend but quickly devolve into becoming intrusive, a BURDEN, and a waste of time.
 
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Robert Fripp once commented that in the beginning Groupies are a Godsend but quickly devolve into becoming intrusive, a BURDEN, and a waste of time.
It is VERY, VERY, VERY hard to believe that f*cking HOT women would EVER become intrusive, burdensome, and a waste of time. Very, very hard to believe.

These guys need to struggle with women a bit, then maybe they'll appreciate what they have. People go as far as RAPE to get laid, and put themselves in a position where they risk going to jail(and I'm not condoning rape by the way, I'm just making a point), and this guy complains that he's getting too much women.

Stupid statement on Robert Fripp's behalf.
 

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Get a grip, edger. A man can get played out after a certain point. It can happen with anything. Groupies are a nightmare in a lot of ways.
 

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edger said:
These guys need to struggle with women a bit, then maybe they'll appreciate what they have. People go as far as RAPE to get laid, and put themselves in a position where they risk going to jail(and I'm not condoning rape by the way, I'm just making a point), and this guy complains that he's getting too much women.
Grow up man.

Rape is not about "getting laid" . Rape is to exercise power over the victim.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Latinoman said:
Grow up man.

Rape is not about "getting laid" . Rape is to exercise power over the victim.
You're a funny guy. You think you know a lot of things. Yes, some also rape to excercise power over the victim. But you're 100% wrong on rape not being motivated by sexual frustration for some as well.
 

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You're a funny guy. You think you know a lot of things. Yes, some also rape to excercise power over the victim. But you're 100% wrong on rape not being motivated by sexual frustration for some as well.
Are you a doctor? Nope. You are this long haired dude that dress like some 1980 Bon Jovi wanna be.

All I am saying is do not write about what you have no clue.
 

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Are you a doctor? Nope. You are this long haired dude that dress like some 1980 Bon Jovi wanna be.

All I am saying is do not write about what you have no clue.
I told you you were a funny guy.

Anyhow, I'm not a doctor, but I studied Sociology in college. And where do you get your claims?

Bon Jovi? You're "off" again, even after I showed a YouTube video of what I look like. My wardrobe, the tunes I compose, and music I listen to, is the polar opposite to Bon Jovi. Only thing I have in common with Mr. Jovi is the hair(minus the "bangs" and aerosol spray poof..and my hair is much longer), that's about it.
 

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Are you sure you are 28? You don't sound 28. You sound 22 or younger.
 

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edger said:
It is VERY, VERY, VERY hard to believe that f*cking HOT women would EVER become intrusive, burdensome, and a waste of time. Very, very hard to believe.

These guys need to struggle with women a bit, then maybe they'll appreciate what they have. People go as far as RAPE to get laid, and put themselves in a position where they risk going to jail(and I'm not condoning rape by the way, I'm just making a point), and this guy complains that he's getting too much women.

Stupid statement on Robert Fripp's behalf.

No it was extremely insightful and enlightened. He saw it for what it was (not much) and quickly moved to more productive and fulfilling activities. Ask yourself why they all eventually settle down, yes EVEN Gene Simmons FINALLY figured this out.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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