speed dawg
Master Don Juan
Sorry pal, but the choice was already made. Just not by you.expos said:1. Keep her as a plate
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Sorry pal, but the choice was already made. Just not by you.expos said:1. Keep her as a plate
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Good advice. Like I said earlier, I've deleted her number and all of her texts. I wouldn't mind going out with her again, since nothing really bad happened between us - but that's her move. No Contact ensues.cordoncordon said:Not surprised by this at all. If you can stay emotionally detached, keep her as a FaceBook friend but don't contact her. Then perhaps in the future you can use her as a FWB. But don't ever initiate any contact that is for sure.
Agree with Speed Dawg. The choice was made by her, not you, to keep you around as a plate.expos said:...and it's over.
To which I replied, "the feeling is mutual....I enjoy your company but you need to do what's best for you"
expos said:Met this girl a month ago through mutual friends. HB8, divorced finalized in March, has a 3-year old kid. Our first meetup was with a big group our friends and she was pretty much on me the whole night. Making out, hugging, etc., as we bar hop. The second date… Hibachi Grill, wine, brought her back to my place and we bang.
We’ve been seeing each other once or twice per week and screwing. Went camping together a few weeks back with her friends and we seem to hit it off well. Took another trip out of town and got seafood and went to the beach and had a great day. We have to work out our schedules around her kid as she gets him 3.5 days per week and her ex gets the other 3.5 days.
The common theme in this relationship is that I MAKE ALL OF THE PLANS, initiate all of the texting, emails, and make all the phone calls. She has never flaked on me, and has always accepted my requests to meet up.
My last phone call was to her was three nights ago, and she seemed rather tired/bored while talking to her. I got pissed after talking with her (she doesn’t know that I’m pissed) and decided to not call or text and go ghost until she makes the next move. We were supposed to meet up tonight, but I stood my ground and did not reach out to her. She hasn’t even bothered trying to contact me.
So, I don’t think she’s seeing someone else. I’ll login into Facebook and her I’ll see her actively posting stuff at 10:30-11PM almost every night. But she does get a buttload of attention because she is really hot and has a ton of orbiters. I don’t play that game.
So – advice is needed.
1. Do I continue to hold out and go no contact?
2. Make one final attempt to hangout, and let her know that she will need to be more attentive and reach out to me.
She has a full time job and is raising a kid, but still, it doesn’t take much effort to send a text…
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
But damn, she was beautiful. Oh well.Big Nuts said:Single moms in 99% of cases are low hanging fruit.
Pick, eat, toss away.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.