"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Whats the quickest way that you guys have done and/or seen on how to go from normal (no abs, not much muscle etc) to built and "masculane" with abs (6 pack) etc....
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Depends on genetics and work ethic. I'd say it would take a good 2 years for someone with avg genetics following a good workout plan with a good diet to be noticed in a crowd of normal people. Of course you will look better naked then most people within months, maybe weeks, but with clothes on it takes a while.
It took me around 4 months to go from "thin" to "muscular" (in other people's words), though I gained fat along the way, which takes some time to lose.
i'd say 6 months to 2 years, depending on how you approach it. If you do everything perfect it will take you less time, if you slack off on diet, workouts etc, it will take a long long time.
And don't focus on your results, focus on your strength. Make strength based goals, achieve them, and then make new ones. Your body's appearance will catch up.
it took me about 6 months to 1year, but then im naturally thin with extremely low body fat. but only noticeable with my shirt off...
im not BIG, on the side of being between fit & athletic.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Originally posted by Jariel It took me around 4 months to go from "thin" to "muscular" (in other people's words), though I gained fat along the way, which takes some time to lose.
Working out can be very easily discouraging as it isn't something that will give you immediate gratification. I agree with mind over matter a lot when he says train for strength because for me that is the thing that I can see the quickest and I realize that my body will follow. But being big doesn't happen in a night or a month but goes slowly over years. I have had a lot of friends give up after a couple of weeks thinking they aren't getting anywhere and then wonder how I did. I kept it up for a long time. Even then when I look at the bulking thread I see guys who put on the weight that I gained in three years do it in 6 months.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
d-bol for 6 weeks is the stupist thing u can do......all oral anbolics fvck u totallly up and a 6weeks cycle is ridicolous. i know it was a joke but maybe some bodybuilding dealer in the gym wants to sell him this sh1t.
it doesn't take years to get a decent body - u can improve a lot in a half year or in one year. but only and only with full dedication - else forget it. when you only workout but dont eat right you will NEVER get a good body(only if u have good genetics, not skinny genetics) NOT after 1year NOT after 3 yeaars and NOT after 10 years!! do it right or dont do it at all!
I've been working out for 2.5 years, and I'm 5'9" and 168 pounds with some fat (don't know the percentage - 15%?). If I'd shredded my fat down, I'd basically look like a shorter version of MindOverMatter - with a slightly stockier, thicker torso. I'm definitely the type of guy that looks really good with his shirt off, but looks pretty average with it on - seems to be the case with most meso-ectomorphs like me.
My goal is to be about 170 to 175 at (8-10% bodyfat). That means I'll have to bulk up to about 180 then cut, or do a clean bulk (the route I'm leaning toward - being fat and buff is not a good feeling). I've definitely been lazy at times, and coz I know I have decent genetics I'm sure I could've done all this in about 1.5 years, instead of 2.5 years+.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
I was working out 4 times a week (with ideas from the guides here and there) and eating small meals and snacks every 1-2 hours, with whey protein after workouts (as suggested in Diesel's guide). I ate a can of tuna and at least one steak or chicken fillet per day.
I packed on the muscle very quickly, but after 4 months I was losing my definition so I went to cutting, and I'm still cutting after 2 months!
I've been lifting for about 3 years now, and have no plans on stopping anytime soon. When I first started, i weighed about 160...i'm up to about 210 now. You really need to focus on diet, and form when you train. It's a hobby/lifestyle that you have to be in 100%. If not, you're wasting your time. I know girls are attracted to men who are toned, but 'not too big'.
"Not too big" dosent cut it for me...my goal is to be massive.
It depends on what you consider "normal" and "BIG". So, I'd say absolute minimum of six months, with a generous interpretation of "normal" and borderline "big". Three years for someone on the smaller side of "normal", with less than spectacular genes, and an unmistakable definition of "big".
Both of those rely you on you: working very hard, not missing workouts for BS reasons, eating enough, getting enough rest etc In short, getting everything right.
Shot for all the replies... they helped alot in widening my knowledge on the subject... I'll keep u guys posted with my progress
Laterz...
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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