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From a male perspective, what trait in a woman is equivalent to tallness in a man?

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We've often wondered why women find tallness attractive in men and It's clear/obvious how most women respond with desire to tall men.

From a male perspective, what trait in a woman is equivalent to tallness in a man?
And how do we react to it?

We're not talking about physical fitness; being tall and being fit are distinct qualities. (Infact, a short but muscolar and fit guy could appear stronger than a taller but skinny man)
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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For women, those traits might be...

1. Big natural breasts without being overweight
2. A lower body fat and athletic physique

Male SMV is a combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Female SMV is looks and personality. In female SMV, looks matter more than personality. Good looking females can lower their SMV with a bad personality that often causes drama.
 

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Youth.

I’ll flirt with any woman who is young, But if she older, even if hot, won’t do it.
 

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Definitely big boobs (both big and big relative to their overall size) for the "imposing physical presence in a good way" effect

( . )( . ) Nom Nom
 

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Oh that's convenient. Explain what does a 6 mean to you, I assume she has to be cute right? and not overweight?
I would like to keep the conversation on the point of the first post and not go into other personal topics, but I will explain to you that a 6 for me is not a 6 for you. An 8 for me, is a 6 or a 9 for you.
We did not have the same imprinting, that's why talking about this could be too personal.
I read some scientific studies about this.
When it's not in the body (maybe she's curvy or soft), it's in her face! And you can see it in women who are so young even after 35 (childish look)
 

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Height in a man is a characteristic that:
* can't be changed
* the majority of women find desirable
* .. to the point that for some women, it's a deal breaker
* nevertheless, short guys can still pull if they shine in other ways (just not with the height Queens)
* there is a sweet spot, an ideal ratio, ie it's possible to be too tall
* height also has a halo effect, ie helps radically not just for finding a partner, but in social interactions with everyone, men & women.

The female equivalent would be a slender bone structure.
Whilst overall leanness / fitness can change over time and circumstance, we have to accept the bone structure we're born with.

Women with a sturdy bone structure have difficulty looking graceful or feminine (perhaps with clever tailoring).
Women with a slim bone structure can still be fit/strong etc.
But a fit/strong woman who's built sturdy just looks masculine, whereas the same girl with a thin build could be an insta influencer.
I think it goes without saying, that any body type could be fat.
(No, I wouldn't bang a fat chick regardless of body type)

Sure, lots of guys like their women chunky.
but yeah, I'm one of those guys who greatly prefers my women to be thin.
 

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True. Not universal tho.
I'm happier with a feminine 6 rather than with a masculine or damaged 8.
That's personal preference.
Same. Well, her personality affects her looks anyway. But she has to be baseline physically attractive. The rest is up to her to prove me right or wrong.
 

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A banging body.

I would pretty much go for a chick with a banging body no matter what her face looked like all things being equal...I can always turn her around be fvcking a 10/10
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Lol what another Man's 10 maybe another man's 8 or 5. I believe Environmental factors and where they grew up also plays factors. I grew up South Texas and I'm very attracted to Latinas....probably if not more so than South East Asian women. But generally a slender figure mix with a feminine gracious attitude and elegance is great.
 

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We even have a saying in the Latino Community, that tall guys are so weirdos because gravity doesn't let blood flow easily to their brains.
Yes but more oxygen when you're above the crowd. What a cope saying lolz. What's next, short guys are faster because they have a lower center of gravity? :rofl:
 

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Personally, I'd say b-cups or bigger and a hour-glass shape.

A-cups are a deal breaker for me. And if she doesn't have big t!ts, little waist, and nice hips I'll lose interest at some point.

Realizing my preferences are what they are, I give women a little more slack on their preference for a tall guy. I get it, its all good.
 

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I don't know. Height is really specific, and the effects are global. I don't think there is an exact match for some general feature of women.

Sure there is things I like, some of those most men like. But its not the same class of thing as being tall. I get that you did not ask about tall AND bla bla bla bla.. Just tall.

Can think of several behaviors that could fit, but looking for a physical attribute and one that all or most men go for...

Tall for men is just such a big deal... maybe because there is no equivalent in women.
 

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We've often wondered why women find tallness attractive in men and It's clear/obvious how most women respond with desire to tall men.

From a male perspective, what trait in a woman is equivalent to tallness in a man?
And how do we react to it?

We're not talking about physical fitness; being tall and being fit are distinct qualities. (Infact, a short but muscolar and fit guy could appear stronger than a taller but skinny man)
This is a difficult question. This height spec is a hive mentality thing.

Yeah, “I’m looking for a woman around 5’ 9”, C cup, nice round butt, long hair, physically fit, wears no make-up, sweet and not a cvnt.”

You could disqualify about 99% of the majority. Imagine if guys had universal specifications like women and they were held firm. You’d hear them cry “misogyny!!!”

I don’t think men are this picky. A curvy body always turns heads. I’d say curvy but not fat. Problem is she could get fat over time whilst a guy’s height would not change.

Body count. Most guys don’t want a hoe that everyone else has had a turn with.
Personality. “Doesn’t matter how hot she is, someone is tired of her sh1t.” No guy wants drama or disrespect. A “10” could quickly get knocked down if she has a lousy personality,
 

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Boobs. Good boobs can compensate for a meh face. Likewise a good height can compensate for a meh face.
 

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Being Feminine. Having feminine great qualities. Those are the things that will capture any Man's heart in the long term.
Yeah... It's no coincidence that Sydney Sweeney skyrocketed from obscurity to It Girl once the early 2020s were upon us, not after our tastemakers in Tinseltown pissed away the latter half of The 10s on increasingly desperate efforts to persuade us all that Ruby Rose "chic" was wear it's at
 

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We've often wondered why women find tallness attractive in men and It's clear/obvious how most women respond with desire to tall men.

From a male perspective, what trait in a woman is equivalent to tallness in a man?
And how do we react to it?

We're not talking about physical fitness; being tall and being fit are distinct qualities. (Infact, a short but muscolar and fit guy could appear stronger than a taller but skinny man)
A nice face and body. That's it
 

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