mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Heard females talking about this and each category sucked. From their view even a fwb isnt good enough.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Friend vs fwb vs roommate
- Thread starter mrgoodstuff
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Their saying from their view he isnt good enough to be her man.
Most fwb are men they can’t lock down so they tell themselves he’s not good enough to be her man. I’ve never lived with a girl I wasn’t dating so I can’t say about being roommates. I would imagine it would suck if you found her attractive though. Friends is still the worst of the worst out of all 3 options though.
AttackFormation
Master Don Juan
They are lying to themselves. Womens standards for men they just have sex with out of desire are higher than for being their provider, who they put Up with sex and fake orgasms with until they get what they were really after. Either they cant get their fwb to commit, or he doesnt have the provider traits.
Either way, he cant be "not good enough" if he evidently passes the highest bar women have, which is to desire him so much they want to have sex with him for its own sake. They sure as hell desire and respect him more than the soypilled white Knight or afc theyll eventually settle with as their "boyfriend"
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mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
They were acting like they use fwb as a dumb dildo. Good enough for sex but not much else.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
AttackFormation
Master Don Juan
They are either deluded or trying to delude themselves. They could also be wanting to emulate the men who use them the same way, as a manner of indirect revenge catharsis and selfdefense.
In any case they sound damaged to me, as i can only Imagine the clearly damaged women i know of expressing themselves like that. A woman like @AJ84 for example, would never be so deluded as to brag thinking she is the one "using" the man by letting him **** her with no strings... Lol
I think they really might just want to emulate their idea of men, and protect themselves. Maybe AJ can enlighten us
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mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
They were younger females so they emulating the male way.
AttackFormation
Master Don Juan
They could be cluster B too. Either that or emulating out of a twisted mix of trauma, revenge, envy and mental selfdefense. Like how they can go on a sex spree after a breakup to gain the upper hand against a man in their mind, which coincidentally the girl i can recall saying something similar also did.
Healthy women are not like this. Red flag.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Seemed like "normal" young girl think
AttackFormation
Master Don Juan
Only normal to broken or pathological women, even whether there are more of them. I repeat, healthy women dont feel this way. I guarantee those girls are messed up in some way.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
They were real young. Still making their mistakes. This is how "girls" in the game thinks. If shes socialized worried about being popular this is the normal thinking.
AttackFormation
Master Don Juan
I dont know whether to feel sad for them or not. What could have caused this toxic thinking? Is it feminism? If it really is socialization and they are not yet broken now, they certainly will be.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Their point was "friend" was almost an insult.
backseatjuan
Banned
Oh yea...
It’s their way of saying, in one instance he ain’t good enough to be anything more, and in another it’s adefence mechanism, she don’thave anything other than her pus to keep him, but he aint good enough for her. Sure, thats why she fcking with him.
Bro you overheard ugly btches that dont have nothing else but their vaginas to keep an alpha.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Nah it was some "pretty" and trendy young cliquish girls.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.