Frame control in pickup -bars and clubs

[Vanderdonck]

If you're getting into "frame battles" then you've already lost your frame.

 

[Cheeky_James]

If you're getting into "frame battles" then you've already lost your frame.

wrongggggg.
Pls reread my OP about what frame and frame control is actually all about. That’s the definitions of it .. everywhere. from the actual sources..google if u don’t believe bro.

btw a “frame battle” is also known as a “Sh1t test”.
So you are saying never pass a sh1t test now?

 

[Cheeky_James]

Here’s a very weird but interesting example of frame control by psycho Tyler of RSD.

He’s practicing FC but assigning the wrong meaning as to how he’s doing it. RSD are great for this and keeping guys stuck in circles.

can anyone else spot how he’s really practicing FC here? And who is battling his frame?

@BPH @Vanderdonck qnd @BillyPilgrim please chip in with your ideas . Thanks CJ

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[Vanderdonck]

btw a “frame battle” is also known as a “Sh1t test”.
So you are saying never pass a sh1t test now?

No I did not say that, that's your inference bud.

If your frame is sound, there are no sh!t tests. Level up and quit preparing for battles that don't need to happen. No woman has sh!t tested me in years. I'll let you sort out how that could be.

If YOU feel like you need to pass a female's tests, well, ask yourself why.

PS I don't have time for PUA vids.

 

[BPH]

Here’s a very weird but interesting example of frame control by psycho Tyler of RSD.

He’s practicing FC but assigning the wrong meaning as to how he’s doing it. RSD are great for this and keeping guys stuck in circles.

can anyone else spot how he’s really practicing FC here? And who is battling his frame?

@BPH @Vanderdonck qnd @BillyPilgrim please chip in with your ideas . Thanks CJ

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This isn't a frame battle or frame control...he's just leading.

I think this top-rated comment on that video sums it up best:

 

[Cheeky_James]

No I did not say that, that's your inference bud.

If your frame is sound, there are no sh!t tests. Level up and quit preparing for battles that don't need to happen. No woman has sh!t tested me in years. I'll let you sort out how that could be.

If YOU feel like you need to pass a female's tests, well, ask yourself why.

PS I don't have time for PUA vids.

so you are a Mode One guy then I’ll guess.
If that’s correct, then imposing sexual frames on a woman may require a frame battle as she’ll usually try reject it firstly. Maybe it’s called something else in Mode One. bantering/ teasing back and forth with a chick is also a frame battle. You don’t do this either ?
and lastly , are you pulling hot women? They usually will test a guy and see what he’s made of. Almost always. It’s just lighter tests the hotter the guy is. Some light banter chicks would call it.

 

[Cheeky_James]

This isn't a frame battle or frame control...he's just leading.

I think this top-rated comment on that video sums it up best:

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Yes, he’s leading.

Leading is what frame and frame control is all about, that’s what it actually means.
The terms are the breakdown of the mechanics of leading and influencing others.

I mean the dead giveaway that’s true , is that frame control has the word “control” in the term for starters. Hello? Control?

control infers leading. and control infers ‘battles’ to gain control (power) .Can’t get control and power IRL easy as everyone wants to keep it.

IRL to lead you have to battle others ,not just “inspire “ them. Its many ways to get the control and the power to get into the leader position.
some leaders just intimidate others into following for example.

I just call it Dominance. Leading = Dominance. Top Dog . Same same.

Tyler has dominance in the room off the bat as he is the PUA Coach and it’s his seminar.
It’s a Guru -follower meta-frame.

The room defers to his opinions as he is the Guru.
No one there is gonna bust up his lecture and challenge him as “full of sh1t “ for example.

But in that video he is specifically doing something , a mechanic of tactic to maintain dominance over the other guys .

Can you spot it and what is it? And it’s a good example of how sneaky Tyler is.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yes, he’s leading.

Leading is what frame and frame control is all about, that’s what it actually means.
The terms are the breakdown of the mechanics of leading and influencing others.

I mean the dead giveaway that’s true , is that frame control has the word “control” in the term for starters. Hello? Control?

control infers leading. and control infers ‘battles’ to gain control (power) .Can’t get control and power IRL easy as everyone wants to keep it.

IRL to lead you have to battle others ,not just “inspire “ them. Its many ways to get the control and the power to get into the leader position.
some leaders just intimidate others into following for example.

I just call it Dominance. Leading = Dominance. Top Dog . Same same.

Tyler has dominance in the room off the bat as he is the PUA Coach and it’s his seminar.
It’s a Guru -follower meta-frame.

The room defers to his opinions as he is the Guru.
No one there is gonna bust up his lecture and challenge him as “full of sh1t “ for example.

But in that video he is specifically doing something , a mechanic of tactic to maintain dominance over the other guys .

Can you spot it and what is it? And it’s a good example of how sneaky Tyler is.

The "control" is your own emotional state, and also how your frame is perceived. Not control of the other person. Leading in this case is guiding, not pulling. Think of the chick you're targeting as an independent contractor, as opposed to an employee. I.e., someone less willing to be "pulled" Tyler has relative dominance since he's preaching to desperate guys. In the greater society he's perceived as a try-hard, for what it's worth.

 

[Glassguy]

Am I the only one that sees extremely narcissistic traits in this post?

 

[Cheeky_James]

The "control" is your own emotional state, and also how your frame is perceived. Not control of the other person. Leading in this case is guiding, not pulling. Think of the chick you're targeting as an independent contractor, as opposed to an employee. I.e., someone less willing to be "pulled" Tyler has relative dominance since he's preaching to desperate guys. In the greater society he's perceived as a try-hard, for what it's worth.

I’m not a fan of RSD.. sneaky rat b@stards imo.
But lets stick to the content in video for now.
So any other observations on what Tyler is doing from watching the video?
@BPH @Vanderdonck .. see anything else re the video?

 

[BPH]

@BPH @Vanderdonck .. see anything else re the video?

Do what works for you.

 

[Cheeky_James]

so no more observations? Ok

 

[plumber]

interesting topic: lets rename frame -> narrative. Narrative competition is often and wide. We have narratives based on facts and some based on interpretations and others based on imagination and desire.

stubborn. insist narrative regardless of facts. they can have clear proof of faulty narrative but will not adjust.

fake. presents narrative not supported by facts. often what frame teaching does. convince self and others of false to make it true. fake it until make it.

structure. understand facts and interpret them without emotion. then adjust structure till narrative is what you like.

narrative(frame) based on structure is really powerful.

 

[Cheeky_James]

The "control" is your own emotional state, and also how your frame is perceived. Not control of the other person. Leading in this case is guiding, not pulling. Think of the chick you're targeting as an independent contractor, as opposed to an employee. I.e., someone less willing to be "pulled" Tyler has relative dominance since he's preaching to desperate guys. In the greater society he's perceived as a try-hard, for what it's worth.

It’s funny how in the real world we use Pulling to describe it hey. Men say to each other “did you Pull last night?” Or “hes great at pulling women.”
he or she is “on the pull” tonight. Women use that word too to describe pickup.”she pulled that guy in a club”.
Leading is done in all kinds of ways other than respectful ‘guiding’.

It’s all about gaining status dude,
Gaining power and the more dominant position.
Just google the phrase ‘do the terms frame , framing and frame control directly relate to influencing people and gaining status?’

now. Is the Google AI Summary of everything on the internet relating to Frame wrong.. or are a bunch of people on a forum redefining what Frame and Frame Control actually means?

 

[BillyPilgrim]

It’s funny how in the real world we use Pulling to describe it hey. Men say to each other “did you Pull last night?” Or “hes great at pulling women.”
he or she is “on the pull” tonight. Women use that word too to describe pickup.”she pulled that guy in a club”.
Leading is done in all kinds of ways other than respectful ‘guiding’.

It’s all about gaining status dude,
Gaining power and the more dominant position.
Just google the phrase ‘do the terms frame , framing and frame control directly relate to influencing people and gaining status?’

now. Is the Google AI Summary of everything on the internet relating to Frame wrong.. or are a bunch of people on a forum redefining what Frame and Frame Control actually means?

The idea is to not make the person "pulled" feel like they are being "pulled"

 

[Cheeky_James]

@BPH @Vanderdonck and @BillyPilgrim @plumber

Here’s the video again for a quick re-view and I’ll give the breakdown now below

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Frame Control breakdown;

Tyler is using a few methods here but the biggest one is
1. Physical frame control/ physical dominance

He offers out the handshake. He does not let go of the guys hands. He pulls them into a standing position and puts both his hands on their shoulders and keep them there.
And he holds intense eye contact close up.

2. verbal frame control /verbal dominance
He observes their reactions and tells them how they are being reactive (blinking too much rah rah) or else he does this mind reading thing and says “ are you saying that because are TRYING to be xyz? ”. They guys all comply.

Tyler is telling them their frame is weaker because they are “more reactive “ which is complete bollocks and misguiding them.

Their frame is weaker because he’s laying hands on them and physically dominating them.. Plus also his verbal manipulation /mind reading sh1t.

Btw If Tyler tried this physical thing of Laying Of Hands w me , or probably any other random dude in a bar .. we’d tell him take them off pronto or we’ll happily break them for him. lol. It’d be pretty weird socially to do that and an overt obvious power move.

Frame battles ;

the last 2 guys initially reject Tyler’s setting of a Dominance Frame (prob they saw it coming from observation). And there’s 2 battles there.

First guy stands up and offers out his hand first. Tyler sees it and puts him down. Guy crosses his arms and leans back. Tyler mimics him and puts his down again.
but Tyler wins out and holds his Dominance frame at the end of interaction.

last guy battles Tyler’s frame with a good verbal comeback .. but Tyler spots it and cuts him off and does his mind reading frame control thing and wins the frame. He also saying some sh1t about his looks not mattering . Big LOL at that one.

So that’s a breakdown bit by bit,

so Tyler does understand Frame/FC quite well but he never taught it properly and clearly. As he is a Rat. RSD was always about keeping guys confused with misinformation and just milking lotsa money from students.

 

[Plinco]

I’ve just been googling for infield examples of frame and frame control. There’s not much good stuff out there afaics.

not sure who this SocialStoic guy is..
He looks kinda disabled sitting down lol

But his frame control is quite good.

I’d prefer to see the whole interaction in one go tho , without his interjections.

Is this real or are these people acting? @BPH @characternote @Clockwerk50

 

[Vanderdonck]

so you are a Mode One guy then I’ll guess.
If that’s correct, then imposing sexual frames on a woman may require a frame battle as she’ll usually try reject it firstly. Maybe it’s called something else in Mode One. bantering/ teasing back and forth with a chick is also a frame battle. You don’t do this either ?
and lastly , are you pulling hot women? They usually will test a guy and see what he’s made of. Almost always. It’s just lighter tests the hotter the guy is. Some light banter chicks would call it.

I've always pulled hot women but when I was younger I let myself get "tested" and lost frame. Now I don't. Simple mindset shift. When I was younger, the moment I thought "this is a test I have to pass," I'd already lost. With the shift in mindset comes a lack of tests. I'm sure some other guys here know what I'm talking about.

 

[characternote]

I genuinely cannot think of a single time when a girl outright rejected me and later ended up sleeping with me.

it basically never ever happens. It's mostly something that people selling books tells you happens. e.g she tells you you're not her type and that she's not interested and tries to walk away, but you then neg her or something and use a 'compliance' ladder to reward her each time, and baby step that same pattern, getting more compliance each time, all the way to sex. Or they maybe say you just need to 'self amuse' and tease etc to 'build massive attraction' to the point that she now is super attracted to you. It's just BS though lol. Obviously. As infields show us. Think about how many infields have been released over the years. 10,000?? We should have hundreds and hundreds of examples of the above. A super cold girl who tells you you're not her type shortly after teh open or who is just giving no replies with awful body language etc, who he then 'games' all the way to sex. Yet we have....none? All we have is 'rejection compilations' in the products that PUAs sell where girls have that reaction to them and they try the above stuff, but it doesn't cut any ice with her.

But if you fancy a laugh check out the writings of the coaches on the 'skilledsedcuer' forums lol. A handful claim 'point and click' ability (they can bang and and every girl they want) due to their game and 'NLP' verbals. Even if you are 95 and she's an 18 year old model. Doesn't matter. Just NLP her! hijack her brain! No infield or anything of course. source = 'trust me, bro'.

Cold approach pickup is about screening. It's not about conversion. It's finding the girls who wanna buy what you are selling. As to how much 'game' is actually required when you find that girl, i'll leave up for debate

Is this real or are these people acting? @BPH @characternote @Clockwerk50

We can never know for certain, but some fake infields are easy to spot (I was one of the first to spot certain fake infields back in the day, such as one by PUA Daniel blake. The interaction Just looked 'off' to me and I said so. And then some weeks later, someone spotted a continuity error in her clothing and all was revealed! It was an actress), although nothing jumps out as being obviously fake in this one to me.

ps - why was @Cheeky_James banned?

 

[Clockwerk50]

Am I the only one that sees extremely narcissistic traits in this post?

OP needs an editor badly.