"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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FR: So this is what's happened today.

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Unlike most of my FR's, this is going to be more of a journal. Not the 'approach' in boxes thing I usually do. Nothing really happened until afterschool when I approached this Joey girl and got her number. So she told me what she was there afterschool for, we talked about Rock Band and I told her I knew her sister. Eventually I'm like, "Hey, I had a good time talking to you. Can I get your number?" and she goes "If you want it". So I give her my phone and to my surprise, not only does the girl put in the number like most girls, she saved me the trouble of putting the name in and did that for me to. So after that, I start talking about the play and her brother comes in and I start including him in the set as well. Eventually I close out of that set and leave.

Then the most random thing ever happens, I'm sitting in the front of the building and this group of Freshman girls starts coming up to me acting all horny and stuff. Two of the particular girls eventually come up to me and I'm like "I'm sorry you guys are too young" and gently push both of them away and while they're leaving I hear one of them saying "Call me!". Moving on to the play, basically during the play, the most interesting thing was when I just chilled with these girls. Eventually Allie came in and she was giving me a bunch of interest, constantly looking back at me and once I can remember saying "Sorry girls, VIP only" when they looked, to which I remember them laughing. But yeah, that's basically today's interactions.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Don't hate, I got the number and I don't see you guys hating getting anything.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Whats that stuff women put on before they go out?

Oh yeah. Make up.
 

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lol Wescott you're the new neighborhood troll. Seriously, every thread you post in of mine you say something report worthy. It's not so much that the post was bad, it just has ZERO to do with the topic.
 

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Report me then. If that makes you feel any better about making up field reports, report me.
 

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In Motion said:
WTF is it with you and Rock Band?
this is the reason why a girl who gave elstud her number will flake every time. You're not supposed to bring up Rock Band and video games. For example, what do you think would be a girl's response if I said, "yeah, I think Super Mario on Nintendo is really cool. I'm really good at it. Do you like it?" Well, she'll think "what a nerdy loser!" but say "yeah I played that before." See it gets you nowhere and turns a girl off to you... the exact opposed of what you want to happen.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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ElStud said:
we talked about Rock Band and I told her I knew her sister. Eventually I'm like, "Hey, I had a good time talking to you. Can I get your number?" and she goes "If you want it".
what you said here is really bad. Can you not tell she's not into you at all? This girl won't remember you. Also, I would suggest coming up with another line to ask for her number. What you said seems like you had rehearsed it before. Try and make it seem more natural.
 

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WesCottII said:
Report me then. If that makes you feel any better about making up field reports, report me.
Making up FR's, oh stop hating man. When I see you, I see no DJ, I see someone who uses tricks on women and acts like an overall *******. What's deeper though, is the REASON WHY you're accusing me of making sh*t up. And why? I don't really care, because one day you're going to realize just because you say or think something it's not true. Basically, you can say my FR's are fake however many times you want, but it'll never be true. I think we've got quite a delusional guy on our hands. And in the end? Who gives a crap about what you think, asshole? I'm still going to be approaching girls, getting their numbers and making FR's, despite you claiming they're fake, WITH NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE.
 

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ElStud said:
Making up FR's, oh stop hating man. When I see you, I see no DJ, I see someone who uses tricks on women and acts like an overall *******. What's deeper though, is the REASON WHY you're accusing me of making sh*t up. And why? I don't really care, because one day you're going to realize just because you say or think something it's not true. Basically, you can say my FR's are fake however many times you want, but it'll never be true. I think we've got quite a delusional guy on our hands. And in the end? Who gives a crap about what you think, asshole? I'm still going to be approaching girls, getting their numbers and making FR's, despite you claiming they're fake, WITH NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE.
Let me ask you a question. Do you want numbers or sex?

Girls give out numbers like candy, getting sex is a whole different story...
 

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HandyAndy said:
Or seeing jesus walking down the street :p
And I still get numbers, which is something I've yet to see TrollingAndy do or Arizona's ice pee do.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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ElStud said:
Then the most random thing ever happens, I'm sitting in the front of the building and this group of Freshman girls starts coming up to me acting all horny and stuff. Two of the particular girls eventually come up to me and I'm like "I'm sorry you guys are too young" and gently push both of them away and while they're leaving I hear one of them saying "Call me!"
Uh sorry bro but....in high school, when girls do that, they are making fun of you man. :crackup:
 

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well i have gotten more numbers than you and it isn't what i spend every waking hour caring about. get a hobby. get a girlfriend... stop finding girls that you think are your friends. hookup with someone already! i could go up to 90% of the girls in my school tomorrow and get their numbers, but i just don't care...

but, i challenge you to a duel. we will see who can get a 15 numbers the fastest :D

now we just need a way to make sure its legit... any ideas?
 

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ElStud said:
And I still get numbers, which is something I've yet to see TrollingAndy do or Arizona's ice pee do.
Have you encountered the possibility that they DONT post every single interaction they have with the opposite sex? When I get a girls number I don go and post the entire story on some forum.
 

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ElStud said:
Making up FR's, oh stop hating man. When I see you, I see no DJ, I see someone who uses tricks on women and acts like an overall *******. What's deeper though, is the REASON WHY you're accusing me of making sh*t up. And why? I don't really care, because one day you're going to realize just because you say or think something it's not true. Basically, you can say my FR's are fake however many times you want, but it'll never be true. I think we've got quite a delusional guy on our hands. And in the end? Who gives a crap about what you think, asshole? I'm still going to be approaching girls, getting their numbers and making FR's, despite you claiming they're fake, WITH NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE.
Wow, toys really are out the pram now. Want a kleenex?

When I see you, I see no DJ, I see a loser, plain and simple.

Jees, you are retarded. When do I use tricks? Everything I've told women in pick-ups is true and has happened to me. Unlike you, who sucked with women, and we told you it was pointless without getting a number, and now, lo and behold...you get a number with every interaction? Nah. It's crap. 'Specially from you, who got thrown out from A&F for being creepy, and all of a sudden you're Brad Pitt of the seduction world? Too unbelievable, especially, since you have the emotional age of a 3 year old, can't debate, cry over every reply to your threads, but still persist in posting boring, unbelievable interactions.

You're a joke kiddo.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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