FR: Lust Wars IV: A New Hope

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke, if you're playing all sorts of tricks, or techniques, or games or whatever you want to call them, then expect to get some back.

I'll take my chances.

 

[Hawke]

I'll probably get people saying i'm wrong with what i'm about to say; keep learning all those tricks, techniques and games Luke. But don't forget to also develop what other people are telling you to aswell.

I mean when i started out i was doing pretty well, i could easily get girls interested and keep 4 or 5 girls going and it wasn't even difficult. And all of that was really down to a lot of the basic advice given here about just being the best man you can be, and not be some idiot suck up. If you add to that a lot of the above techniques, you'll always be ready for pretty much anything, AND after all the practice your doing now, be ready to start to create your own material. THAT is what your goal should be with the techniques; to remember and practice them so you know what works and why they work, and then branch off of those to create your own thing.

So keep with what your doing with the books, but never forget they are just pretty much training wheels. You eventually will find you don't need any of it, and i bet that realisation will hit you within a few weeks.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Focusing on goals -- one I'm planning to try the ESP routine on her, or another Mystery Method trick, eye reading, stuff like that on the book for kicks to see her reaction - C vs. U smiles, I'm digging that book for insights in throwing something crazy into the whole thing while practising at the same time.

I'm not sure if I can do a kiss-close, but likely if anything is attempted, it would be a 'pretend kiss close' - but the real challenge of this interaction would be to challenge her frame - and get her into my frame. Play with push and pull, go up to her like I'm going to hug her, but then withdraw at the last minute - I dunno how that's going to work, but the concept of teasing interactions may be played with too.

Now she is saying she has some personal problems so she cant commit to the day, so those boundaries of course are going to be respected.

Should be good, even if it's a 15 minute date, there seems to be a lot of stuff to play. A pretend-kiss test is cool as it seems like a good tease - and just smile afterwards or something. That seems to be the right way between being asexual and being too desperate.

This is going to be interesting.

 

[pooparu]

Luke, again man, be careful learning all those tricks, once you have gotten your personality down, then go for them, but they are good crutches to start with, just remember them for what they are, CRUTCHES.

But to be honest, I kept the cube test because after I ditched all those technieus I still found that to be a ****ing fun game to play, you wouldn't believe the crazy answers I get from that. I forgot about that C V U thing, I gotta see if thats ture or not, I'm not gonna just spit some bull**** I read somewhere, I wanna make sure its true. And the ESP thing isn't as impressive as you'd think, I do it sometimes just to **** with people though lol.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

ESP may be good to get a few laughs out -- again it's one of a few 'chick-crack' arsenals. Anyway, the cube-test gets the girl to close her eyes and visualise - the pick-up artist Tyle Durden (sp?) kiss closes a girl when her eyes are closed, but I dont know if it's a good idea to use a cube test for a surprise kiss-close - but hey, why not?

I know you are talking about 'inner game' and all that, but there is a live date tommorow, so right now, have to set something up. I'm like Tyle Durden (sp?), a bit of a social robot, so I need some input.

 

[pooparu]

Here's the thing, even though I don't support going off of techniques here's a few tips and **** for techniques and I also have some advice for you after:

1. Have your techniques calibrated. The reason why so many of the PUAs who came up with the techniques can have them work but millions of other guys can't is because you aren't congruent with them. so either become congruent or they are going to fail miserably. Lots of sexual eye contact when reading palms, etc.

2. Make sure you have them down pat, stuttering and **** isn't going to get you anywhere. This is a good time to also practise slowing your voice down, it allows you not only to sound more smooth, but theres less of a chance you are going to have to go back and add something and better, you won't stutter. If you forget them while talking fast you are just gonna be like, "alright next picture....uh. wait, I forgot". If you forget something while talking slow you can pull it of as a deep pause something like, "Alright....now I want you....to picture.....*pause and remember* a X", whatever it is, pausing for a few seconds will probably get it out.

3. Make sure your body language is really powerful and sexy and all together almost too comfortable. Most techniques that involve eye contact, whatever, don't come off well when you are hunched over, looking jittery and giving her a charlie manson stare.

Also man, these techniques and tricks are going to give you a sense of confidence (or competence), it may not be real confidence, but you know what, if all you wanna do is use techniques tommorow then allow yourself to be embraced by that confidence. It seems like you just don't want any pauses in the conversation.

Now, onto the innergame stuff, man wwhen you have this down, you won't need techniques, trust me. Its not like conversations just start flowing the minute you get confident, but when you pay attention to what a woman says and you can talk to her about what she's saying, she'll make the conversation flow for you. Plus, being totally at ease and comfortable at ourself makes you feel great. Using techniques and all you are going to feel scripted and kind of get bored if you fall into the trap of using techniques. Trust me, once nearly all the women respnd to the cube or something in the same manner you sort of get bored using that as a source of pick up. That's why I only do it on girls I think might be interesting to do it on, or because I'm bored, not with a hidden agenda.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Third date -- pat myself on the back for attempting a kiss-close twice on the date.

Some stuff went out of my mouth which I regret - such as saying "I'm playing the field" when she asked me what I'm looking for implying just casual relationships or something, but, she was actually quite nice with me, and even told me, not to use the Polar Bear pick up line because it sucks. I think that maybe I can really be myself around her as she's not seeing me with a critical eye like the others.

NO KISS CLOSE WAS EVER ATTEMPTED IN MY WHOLE LIFE --- FIRST ATTEMPT IN 30 YEARS !!!!! FIRST TIME I HAD THE BALLS TO GO FOR IT.

FIRST KISS CLOSE ATTEMPT:

---> Asked her what was the craziest thing she's ever done? She told me she got drunk. She asked me what the craziest thing I ever done was? I told her to close her eyes and I'll tell her. She said she cant keep them closed because she doesn't trust me, and is scared of what I may do while her eyes are closed.

There went the first kiss close attempt.

SECOND KISS CLOSE ATTEMPT:

----> She suggested a hug. And this time, I asked her for a kiss, and she told me 'eventually'. This is a 'delayed' yes' by the books, and was relieved thta she didn't say the dreaded line "Let's just be friends".

I think there is a genuine bond between us, and dont think it's going to collapse like the others, so this is potential LTR or something.

I'm thinking of writing an email to clarify myself on 'playing the field', was meant to be socialising and meeting new people. Why the heck do stupid things come from my mouth --- well she wasn't visibly offended or she wouldn't have hugged me.

I disclosed the 'suprize' was a kiss. Had that up my sleeve - thought it would work - after all, I did the cube routine and got her to visualize, and she closed her eyes.

I cut the date short -- as is my own policy of coffee dates - the longer it is, the more likely to say something stupid and your not in a seductive environment. She dug the ESP tests, and the other tests, and we seemed to have a bit of fun.

She said she doesn't like kissing in public either -- well ** tried ***.

 

[pooparu]

Third date -- pat myself on the back for attempting a kiss-close twice on the date.

Some stuff went out of my mouth which I regret - such as saying "I'm playing the field" when she asked me what I'm looking for implying just casual relationships or something, but, she was actually quite nice with me, and even told me, not to use the Polar Bear pick up line because it sucks. I think that maybe I can really be myself around her as she's not seeing me with a critical eye like the others.

NO KISS CLOSE WAS EVER ATTEMPTED IN MY WHOLE LIFE --- FIRST ATTEMPT IN 30 YEARS !!!!! FIRST TIME I HAD THE BALLS TO GO FOR IT.

FIRST KISS CLOSE ATTEMPT:

---> Asked her what was the craziest thing she's ever done? She told me she got drunk. She asked me what the craziest thing I ever done was? I told her to close her eyes and I'll tell her. She said she cant keep them closed because she doesn't trust me, and is scared of what I may do while her eyes are closed.

There went the first kiss close attempt.

SECOND KISS CLOSE ATTEMPT:

----> She suggested a hug. And this time, I asked her for a kiss, and she told me 'eventually'. This is a 'delayed' yes' by the books, and was relieved thta she didn't say the dreaded line "Let's just be friends".

I think there is a genuine bond between us, and dont think it's going to collapse like the others, so this is potential LTR or something.

I'm thinking of writing an email to clarify myself on 'playing the field', was meant to be socialising and meeting new people. Why the heck do stupid things come from my mouth --- well she wasn't visibly offended or she wouldn't have hugged me.

I disclosed the 'suprize' was a kiss. Had that up my sleeve - thought it would work - after all, I did the cube routine and got her to visualize, and she closed her eyes.

I cut the date short -- as is my own policy of coffee dates - the longer it is, the more likely to say something stupid and your not in a seductive environment. She dug the ESP tests, and the other tests, and we seemed to have a bit of fun.

See man, now ditch that ESP stuff, she would like YOU if you would stop hiding behind a persona. Allow yourself to run free, be filled with the passion of what YOU want out of life. If you like this woman, instead of worrying about what you said, why not think about what you want to do TO her. Let all your sexual ideas flood your mind, and then let it manifest when you are with her. I guarantee it will slow down your speech, but an interesting smile on your face, and keep on eye contact.

In fact, I must say that now that I read gunwitch he is right, its about sexualizing yourself. Here's what this all really breaks down to:

1. Meet
2. Let your sexuality manifest itself.
3. Succeed.

Raw, animal sexuality that comes across to a woman as a powerful presence will get her turned on, she WILL want you, and you won't have to say any negs or C+F or whatever.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

See man, now ditch that ESP stuff, she would like YOU if you would stop hiding behind a persona.

Had to try it once on someone.

Allow yourself to run free, be filled with the passion of what YOU want out of life. If you like this woman, instead of worrying about what you said, why not think about what you want to do TO her.

Just a nasty c&b from another date, I've had some nasty experiences of getting blown off on statements, ok, this has led me to be a bit paranoid.

Let all your sexual ideas flood your mind, and then let it manifest when you are with her. I guarantee it will slow down your speech, but an interesting smile on your face, and keep on eye contact.

This is the gunwitch model. I did talk to her about 'crazy things', so I thought adventure, crazy, and that stuff was interrelated.

In fact, I must say that now that I read gunwitch he is right, its about sexualizing yourself. Here's what this all really breaks down to:

1. Meet
2. Let your sexuality manifest itself.
3. Succeed.

Raw, animal sexuality that comes across to a woman as a powerful presence will get her turned on, she WILL want you, and you won't have to say any negs or C+F or whatever.

So this works eh, ok, I'll look into it. Thanks pal.

 

[skip2mylou781]

Luke....how is it possible that u havent been able to find a job with a college diploma for almost 10 years???

 

[pooparu]

At a gut level I think all guys know this. Think about it, when you are working out and you really wanna push for that LAST rep, you usually think of something that angers you or something you want so bad that you push it out.

It should be like this constantly, maybe its testosterone, to me its sexuality itself. Its about wanting a woman's body and conveying that to her in a way that makes her appreciate your sexuality. That's what its about.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke....how is it possible that u havent been able to find a job with a college diploma for almost 10 years???

Most jobs want a guy that already has related job exerience. Granted, I haven't been consistently sending out resumes or going to job agencies, but if felt that it would be some of dead-end if I tried.

Anyway, with all this free time on my hands, I was thinking of just studying to perfect my LSAT test, right, but maybe I should send resumes out and try my luck and assume not every employer is not going to hire someone they already know or something.

 

[pooparu]

Luke man, you don't just GIVE UP. Never GIVE UP. Keep sending out resumes, perfecting them, getting better, its worth the risk, because life is so short to worry about what might not happened or might not getting a job. Boo hoo its hard, so what, life's not fair,and thats great news. If it was everyone would just be mediocre, everyone would ownt he same houses, land, cars, women, men, children, etc, EVERYTHING WOULD BE BORING. **** boring life, I'm glad as hell life's not fair. And read this:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14536

I can't watch you toss away your life to those PUAs who thinks its about techniques. Its not man. You are going to learn that one way or another.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I've been thinking of the TD style and where I went wrong on this particular kiss close (other than the fact she wasn't ready for it today).

TD would tell the girl that he loves her, and see if she responds that she loves him back, and then make a marriage proposal to her --- then he says just close your eyes -- he works on the trust component by mentioning 'love' getting her to say she loves him back, and makes a mock marriage proposal.

I forgot to do that, which is a possible reason it doesn't work.

But jag routines telling girls that you love them -- I dont know, I've been brainwashed NOT to say you love someone as saying that usually just puts people off.

How many guys here think that going up to a girl, after some convo, and telling her you love her and want to marry her in a joking way, then telling her to shut her eyes is a good prelude to a freak kiss close?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Just called a girl's cell phone number and it appears a man had answered the phone. Probably her bf or something, who knows, feel like tossing the number. Seem to have it going good enough with me to consider messing with other people's girlfirends - especially as a virgin novice, although the books say these girls are the easiest to fvck close.

I want to tease it -- I will see if I can fvck close her, but will withdraw at the last minute - or let her c&b me. I swear on my neck, I will not going to cheat with anyone, I'm just here to face one fear, and that's rejection, let her tell me she has a boyfriend or c&b this. Let's have a challenge here.

Number may live for yet another day. Other Indian girl to be contacted tommorow.

I promise to everyone here, if this girl is some slvt that routinely cheats on her bf, I'm not going to be used. I may be a virgin, but I have some standards. Maybe.

 

[dirtyvibe]

I've been thinking of the TD style and where I went wrong on this particular kiss close (other than the fact she wasn't ready for it today).

TD would tell the girl that he loves her, and see if she responds that she loves him back, and then make a marriage proposal to her --- then he says just close your eyes -- he works on the trust component by mentioning 'love' getting her to say she loves him back, and makes a mock marriage proposal.

roelplay i guess, but sounds like hes testing iois to me, if she goes along with it its an ioi.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

UG - practise girl. Some sexual interest on her due to exposed leg and around knee point, and would have liked to touch them.

I've went out with a 'movie buddie' tonight, and watched two movies on a row. In terms of kino-touch dynamics, it fell apart, however, the movie theatre is crowded place. I was hugging her at first but she wasn't reciprocating properly so I just gave up. May as well have been hugging a manequin with the response I initially got. Dont know if she is not confident, or has other issues. We've been on a few movie-dates so far so I'm a bit confused.

At the end of the date however, prior to parting ways, she was a bit more reciprical, there was a hug-cheek kiss, and mutual touch in the back, she was copying virtually everything that I was doing. No desire to kiss her, and sitting for four hours infront of movie screens is probably not going to help - I wasn't up to it, or I wanted to kiss that other girl I really like before I really go heavy on kiss closes, I dont know.

The GM model has just been reviewed - and right now it seems to give practical advice for sarging or approaching women. Basically, if you see any woman that you'd like to f-close, go up to them, do a direct approach, try to match their state, and once her state turns sexual, isolate her.

Sounds wierd. (eg. isolating a mall pick-up, where would you take her)

But, you know what, I need practise at approaching new woman, the GM model has no 3 second rule, or no crap on it, just approach any LONE-WOLF you sexually desire and feel free.

However, I see very strong isolationist issues with this model, especially where I'm living with my parents. I can only go to her house, my car (which sucks as it has no AC and it's hot weather now), a washroom, or inside a vacant house (both are non-options), or somewhere else.

Well, anyway, I'm glad there is one 'connection' with someone. I'm going to follow up sarges on future outing/field reports. I'm going to find out for myself what GM is saying - that approaches are EASY to do, when you let your horniness do the work for you - you want to f someone, just go up to her and say hi my name is Luke Skywalker, wait for an IOI, then talk - if it's a lone wolf, and that's what I'd do.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Fvck Up Report -

The girl I meet on July 1st was prepared to stay a whole day with me and go by water, instead I did the priming date thing and cut the date to 45 minutes, meanwhile, another player took the girl and I lost her afterwards.

I want to tell you all this is the biggest fvck up this year.

I am like never ready or suave when a girl's throwing virtually thowing herself.

Just want to let you know I fvcked up big time, this is the number 1 fvck up of the year and I'm happy about it. That's right, I'm feeling good, why - why not, I feel good -- because it's a fvck up that only I can do.

Anyway - this is what prompted the Beta-rejection, player's premise or whatever -- ok, forget that thread - I'm over this.