"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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FR: got too aggressive w kino and bartender

TOneThousand

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Was out at a bar last weekend where I am a semi regular. when I ordered drinks from the bartender who is always there I greeted her by name, "Caroline, what's up with you". She said hi to me using my name, which surprised me cause she'd never done that before and though I'm in there a lot didn't expect her to admit knowing me by name. things were friendly, eye contact, I asked what she did that weekend

Later in the night she came to the other side of the bar and sat at a barstool. She wasn't behind the bar at this point, she was sitting at the bar chilling like any customer would. this was unusual but it wasn't busy there so whatever. While she's sitting on "the drinker side" of the bar I went up and started talks with her. Conversation was smooth, asked her where she lives, she lives near me so I said we're like neighbors. She gave me a hard time about something lame about the neighborhood I live in

I started kino with her. Touching her arm, leaning in when talking, incidental brushing her leg, a bit of breast to arm contact. Everything was comfortable until I started feeling her leg from underneath. Like I was rubbing her leg from the bottom of her thigh or under her knee (overtly). At first she didn't seem to mind but soon she stood up from the stool and stepped back from me while we were talking. she stepped back so there was about a foot or two distance between us. Our conversation kept going and it didn't get overly awkward but it was clear she was creating distance

Later on I went to her to order drinks for me and the girl I came there with and she was all business "what do you need". At closing time when I was about to leave and she's basically cleaning up I went up to her and gave her a hug "thanks, nice to see you Caroline". giving her a hug was intentional to maintain frame that even if maybe she felt awkward, I really didn't think it was weird and that nothing has to be awkward. I was quick and nonchalant about the hug and then busted out of the joint

Takeaways are I probably need to me more gradual/aware of kino escalation. I'm not great with instincts on when to escalate physically and to let it breathe. Mostly I don't escalate enough

One thing that this reminds me of is a time I escalated too much (started feeling a girls ass in a bar) and she withdrew big time. Then a few minutes later the girl came back and was flirting with me again. I ended up banging her that night and dating her for six months... anyway to be agressive, to be cool, that is the question
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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What's the point of this story? Are you trying to have sex with Caroline the bartender? It's difficult to seduce retail workers, bartenders, strippers, and waitresses while they are at their workplace. It helps your cause that you are a regular at that bar but you're still working from a difficult spot.

I started a thread about this topic in 2020.

 

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Not sure why you would do that at a woman's place of work. She probably felt really self conscious about seeing other people she worked with witness that.

I would chalk this up to lack of social awareness of your part. Not something you do at someone's place of business.

Not surprising with how she acted.

If you wanted something to happen then you invite her back to your place for a drink after she gets off and give her your number to contact you.

Essentially with women who are constantly getting hit on by customers every night, all night, you differentiate yourself by expressing interest but showing you are OK with any outcome, including her not acting on it. Not by doing exactly what 95% of these people would do if they had the same situation present itself.

Then move on and talk with other people there, you leave the ball in her court, if she wanted something to happen she would take advantage of it...maybe not that night but perhaps down the line.

There is something to be said for constantly planting seeds even if they don't sprout right away. Eventually, some may sprout when you least expect it.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I think we have all done something like this in the past and realized the error afterwards.. But the golden rule is never get carried away with a woman in her place of employment. Most women are really self-conscious about this and will immediately go into guard mode if you begin laying it on too heavily. Even if there isn't a supervisor present, there generally are other employees who are who will talk and could potentially put her in hot water. Yes, there are women out there who don't care, but you are always safer to nonchalantly get a number and meet her outside of her place of employment.
 

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you are always safer to nonchalantly get a number and meet her outside of her place of employment.
Women are more open to fielding approaches outside of their place of employment, especially with jobs involving interacting with the public.
 

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It always baffles me why guys are hell bent on hitting on waitresses and bar staff

I know its an easy option but ultimately these chicks HAVE to talk to you it's their job too be freindly

I mean most guys have a hard enough time figuring out if a woman is sexually interested in a normal context let alone a situation whereby the woman's trying to be sociable

The amount of stories I've heard about these situations that all tend to go exactly the same way ( nowhere )

Very very rarely will I bother wasting my time on bar staff and shot girls
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Millennials (now ages 28-43) have been the most pet obsessed generation ever. It wouldn't be surprising if a woman had both a boyfriend and a dog.
So I happen to say that as a bit of a reminisce to the bartender at my favorite bar by my old office. I won’t lie, she really had a spell on me. Cutest nose, beautiful smile, black hair, and gave off all the opposite vibes that our guy wasn’t getting here. Used to lean in, I would sit there and drink water just to hang out and she would never let it go empty. Poor kid was a Syracuse alumni with a pottery degree. What do you even do with that. I haven’t seen her in years but I’d probably pick her off her feet and spin her in the middle of the road if we ever saw each other again. She was single with a black lab.
 

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Why do people post "field reports" in 2024 lmfao who gives a shvt. Unless it leads to them sucking and riding your c0ck, I don't care, and even if it does lead to that I probably still don't care.
 

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Why do people post "field reports" in 2024 lmfao who gives a shvt. Unless it leads to them sucking and riding your c0ck, I don't care, and even if it does lead to that I probably still don't care.
Would you rather they post about how they are an incel and hate women and how dating isn't fair and they just are going to give up?
 
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Why do people post "field reports" in 2024 lmfao who gives a shvt. Unless it leads to them sucking and riding your c0ck, I don't care, and even if it does lead to that I probably still don't care.
I like them. @Jesse Pinkman was the best. His were like romance literature.
 

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I wouldn't sweat any of this. You escalated, she backed away at some point which is her right. Under the thigh is a bit much though if she's not reciprocating a lot.
 

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Why do people post "field reports" in 2024 lmfao who gives a shvt. Unless it leads to them sucking and riding your c0ck, I don't care, and even if it does lead to that I probably still don't care.
I actually feel like the field reports are what used to be posted more frequently and made for a far more interesting read rather than the 100 millionth "Women are only interested in guys 6'2+ with over $500k in the bank" b1tch sessions or some variation thereof. I say we should make an effort to post more field reports. Not less.
 

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I wouldn't sweat any of this. You escalated, she backed away at some point which is her right. Under the thigh is a bit much though if she's not reciprocating a lot.
Socially aware men just don't do this with women who are at work. Sorry. Unless they are doing it to you first or you are in a strip club and they are paid to have that done to them.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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