"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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FR: got too aggressive w kino and bartender

TOneThousand

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Was out at a bar last weekend where I am a semi regular. when I ordered drinks from the bartender who is always there I greeted her by name, "Caroline, what's up with you". She said hi to me using my name, which surprised me cause she'd never done that before and though I'm in there a lot didn't expect her to admit knowing me by name. things were friendly, eye contact, I asked what she did that weekend

Later in the night she came to the other side of the bar and sat at a barstool. She wasn't behind the bar at this point, she was sitting at the bar chilling like any customer would. this was unusual but it wasn't busy there so whatever. While she's sitting on "the drinker side" of the bar I went up and started talks with her. Conversation was smooth, asked her where she lives, she lives near me so I said we're like neighbors. She gave me a hard time about something lame about the neighborhood I live in

I started kino with her. Touching her arm, leaning in when talking, incidental brushing her leg, a bit of breast to arm contact. Everything was comfortable until I started feeling her leg from underneath. Like I was rubbing her leg from the bottom of her thigh or under her knee (overtly). At first she didn't seem to mind but soon she stood up from the stool and stepped back from me while we were talking. she stepped back so there was about a foot or two distance between us. Our conversation kept going and it didn't get overly awkward but it was clear she was creating distance

Later on I went to her to order drinks for me and the girl I came there with and she was all business "what do you need". At closing time when I was about to leave and she's basically cleaning up I went up to her and gave her a hug "thanks, nice to see you Caroline". giving her a hug was intentional to maintain frame that even if maybe she felt awkward, I really didn't think it was weird and that nothing has to be awkward. I was quick and nonchalant about the hug and then busted out of the joint

Takeaways are I probably need to me more gradual/aware of kino escalation. I'm not great with instincts on when to escalate physically and to let it breathe. Mostly I don't escalate enough

One thing that this reminds me of is a time I escalated too much (started feeling a girls ass in a bar) and she withdrew big time. Then a few minutes later the girl came back and was flirting with me again. I ended up banging her that night and dating her for six months... anyway to be agressive, to be cool, that is the question
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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What's the point of this story? Are you trying to have sex with Caroline the bartender? It's difficult to seduce retail workers, bartenders, strippers, and waitresses while they are at their workplace. It helps your cause that you are a regular at that bar but you're still working from a difficult spot.

I started a thread about this topic in 2020.

 

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Not sure why you would do that at a woman's place of work. She probably felt really self conscious about seeing other people she worked with witness that.

I would chalk this up to lack of social awareness of your part. Not something you do at someone's place of business.

Not surprising with how she acted.

If you wanted something to happen then you invite her back to your place for a drink after she gets off and give her your number to contact you.

Essentially with women who are constantly getting hit on by customers every night, all night, you differentiate yourself by expressing interest but showing you are OK with any outcome, including her not acting on it. Not by doing exactly what 95% of these people would do if they had the same situation present itself.

Then move on and talk with other people there, you leave the ball in her court, if she wanted something to happen she would take advantage of it...maybe not that night but perhaps down the line.

There is something to be said for constantly planting seeds even if they don't sprout right away. Eventually, some may sprout when you least expect it.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I think we have all done something like this in the past and realized the error afterwards.. But the golden rule is never get carried away with a woman in her place of employment. Most women are really self-conscious about this and will immediately go into guard mode if you begin laying it on too heavily. Even if there isn't a supervisor present, there generally are other employees who are who will talk and could potentially put her in hot water. Yes, there are women out there who don't care, but you are always safer to nonchalantly get a number and meet her outside of her place of employment.
 

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you are always safer to nonchalantly get a number and meet her outside of her place of employment.
Women are more open to fielding approaches outside of their place of employment, especially with jobs involving interacting with the public.
 

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It always baffles me why guys are hell bent on hitting on waitresses and bar staff

I know its an easy option but ultimately these chicks HAVE to talk to you it's their job too be freindly

I mean most guys have a hard enough time figuring out if a woman is sexually interested in a normal context let alone a situation whereby the woman's trying to be sociable

The amount of stories I've heard about these situations that all tend to go exactly the same way ( nowhere )

Very very rarely will I bother wasting my time on bar staff and shot girls
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Millennials (now ages 28-43) have been the most pet obsessed generation ever. It wouldn't be surprising if a woman had both a boyfriend and a dog.
So I happen to say that as a bit of a reminisce to the bartender at my favorite bar by my old office. I won’t lie, she really had a spell on me. Cutest nose, beautiful smile, black hair, and gave off all the opposite vibes that our guy wasn’t getting here. Used to lean in, I would sit there and drink water just to hang out and she would never let it go empty. Poor kid was a Syracuse alumni with a pottery degree. What do you even do with that. I haven’t seen her in years but I’d probably pick her off her feet and spin her in the middle of the road if we ever saw each other again. She was single with a black lab.
 

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Why do people post "field reports" in 2024 lmfao who gives a shvt. Unless it leads to them sucking and riding your c0ck, I don't care, and even if it does lead to that I probably still don't care.
 

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Why do people post "field reports" in 2024 lmfao who gives a shvt. Unless it leads to them sucking and riding your c0ck, I don't care, and even if it does lead to that I probably still don't care.
Would you rather they post about how they are an incel and hate women and how dating isn't fair and they just are going to give up?
 
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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Why do people post "field reports" in 2024 lmfao who gives a shvt. Unless it leads to them sucking and riding your c0ck, I don't care, and even if it does lead to that I probably still don't care.
I like them. @Jesse Pinkman was the best. His were like romance literature.
 

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I wouldn't sweat any of this. You escalated, she backed away at some point which is her right. Under the thigh is a bit much though if she's not reciprocating a lot.
 

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Why do people post "field reports" in 2024 lmfao who gives a shvt. Unless it leads to them sucking and riding your c0ck, I don't care, and even if it does lead to that I probably still don't care.
I actually feel like the field reports are what used to be posted more frequently and made for a far more interesting read rather than the 100 millionth "Women are only interested in guys 6'2+ with over $500k in the bank" b1tch sessions or some variation thereof. I say we should make an effort to post more field reports. Not less.
 

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I wouldn't sweat any of this. You escalated, she backed away at some point which is her right. Under the thigh is a bit much though if she's not reciprocating a lot.
Socially aware men just don't do this with women who are at work. Sorry. Unless they are doing it to you first or you are in a strip club and they are paid to have that done to them.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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