She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Yeah, your right I have gotten rejected for phone numbers before, but I couldn't be doing the "same" thing over again because most of the time I don't ask for something that I can get rejected for. I don't make excuses, nor do I refuse to accept advice. It's just that most people on here learned it one way and if you learned it another way, they can't accept your way, because they think you're wrong. For instance, most people here learned that if you don't have some super good opener, you'll fail the set, when that clearly isn't true. Most people here also learned that words are what matter the most, which isn't true either, it's the conveyance. Classic example, Brad Pitt walks up to a girl, uses a super bad opener, but still gets the girl. Geeky, pimple faced, shy guy, walks up to a girl, uses the worlds best opener, gets rejected. I have never "once" told you guys you were wrong, so how can I be NOT accepting your advice? I may have said "That's good, but my opinion is..." but I've never told you you were wrong.Snow Plowman, if you have seen the evolution of ElStud/Viper/all his other names, you will see that he does the exact same thing over and over again, gets rejected, wonders why, and refuses to accept any bit of information someone gives him because he makes excuses.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :crackup: Ah...sarcasm, what a beautiful thingsuperchill89 said:Actually what I've found is that the "egg opener" works a lot better.
I actually used this last time I went sarging. I approached a group of girls with a ****y grin on my face and I said "I am taking a survey for a world famous research institute (I used this to demonstrate higher value). What do you like better, scrambled eggs or sunny side up eggs?" As soon as I said this the girls burst into giggles and got all shiney eyed and were laughing and pointing their fingers at me, a surefire sign of attraction. One of them was like "You're so dumb, why are you asking us this?" but obviously she was attracted because girls never actually mean what they say (it's a w0manese thing you'll learn through experience). And then I was like so what's your favorite kind of music? And she was like "Uh.. hip hop" but her feigned disinterest was obviously just a sh1t test so I plowed through and I went straight for the kill! So I asked for the number and I got it! It was real easy to remember since all of the digits were actually the same number. I haven't called yet though since it's only been two days, right now I'm simply pumping up her attraction by creating mystery. The approach went pretty well though it was definitely one of my better ones
The reason why you don't care is because "You know who you are" so it doesn't matter what anyone think. On a deep identity level you know who you are. (This is what RSD is currently teaching)TheVirtualMind said:Snow Plow, you talk about "who cares about your rep?"
Do you want to be known as the guy that goes to the exact same place all the time and who always hits on girls and fails? While YOU might not care about your rep or ego, it DOES play a factor in getting with people, whether females or gaining friends with guys.
Personally YES I talk to everyone. But the reason why I do that is because I don't jugde people as being high value or not, I'll just talk them. I even have lame friends who I introduce to the cooler friends and they see what it's like. One kid ended up changing his style and actually getting laid (He was a virgin at the time)TheVirtualMind said:Do you socialize with the pasty white, pimpled, bowl-haircut having geek that sits in the corner? Or do you mainly socialize with the football jock who was All-State?
Why? Their reputation. Your reputation DOES affect things. Trying to think otherwise is just a way to try and comfort yourself for your failures, just like when you get rejected and say ''well, she was a b*tch anyway."
The reason most people on here don't kino a chick is because they are still afraid. That is not their ego talking, that is their gut feeling. That will change. They just have to keep working at it.
Why not? It's just an opener. Of course you aren't going to say "Since I'm in a music store" when you're really not in the store. (Then again it still can work) But really this goes back to the EGO stuff by thinking what you have to say isn't good enough. When really if you ask yourself "Why isn't it?"TheVirtualMind said:While you shouldn't alter your approaches at school, you really can't do the same thing you do in a mall. "Hey, since you are in a music store, I'm doing a survey about music." Doesn't work. You CAN do other approaches though. Girls from your own classes are the easiest.
lol I haven't seen the evolution but I can tell from when I first spoke to him to now he has changed for the better. It wasn't anything earth moving but it was improvement.TheVirtualMind said:Snow Plowman, if you have seen the evolution of ElStud/Viper/all his other names, you will see that he does the exact same thing over and over again, gets rejected, wonders why, and refuses to accept any bit of information someone gives him because he makes excuses.
As for the street/vendor/and peanut thing, you are actually there to buy something...Meanwhile, ElStud is there to get rejected because he uses the exact same lines over and over again, or approaches when he will have a higher rate of failure (talking on phone, store about to close, ect)
There are a TON of different things wrong. Ego isn't one of them.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Well of course I'm trying dude. Stupid questions in who's eyes? Plus whether the question is stupid or not really doesn't effect whether she's interested or not. The whole reason I'm not getting success is I'm not conveying myself correctly yet.TheVirtualMind said:Yeah Snow, we were in the same boat then. Weird kid in middle/high school at first, then got better until I got to where I am today.
The reason I bash on ElStud so much is because of his old personas and his attitude most of the time. Nothing against him (well, some against him), but there are times he doesn't even seem like he is trying. His "FR'''s blend together because they are all identical looking. He approaches at the mall, asks some weird question, gets rejected, wonders why.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Hahahaha, that was hillarious my friend!superchill89 said:So I asked for the number and I got it! It was real easy to remember since all of the digits were actually the same number.
what?ElStud said:"I like pie" would in your words, be a stupid opener, but the funny thing is guys have actually opened with that and got the girl in bed because of their frame and how they convey their personality. My frame and how I convey my personality is still weak. Girls can still sense I'm not being my true self, girls can still sense I'm not particurallly a high value guy.
Uh... not going to argue with you on that one because I know guys who've done it before.Grand Wizzard Alamar said:no... definitely not
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.