FR: Approached one girl at the mall today.

[Spade_1]

I like the sincerity one a lot.

 

[ElStud]

But at the mall reputation doesn't even matter. Yeah, so what if the employees think you're a perv or something for talking to women? Is that your frame, is that you're reality? No, that's their reality and caring about that is getting sucked into their reality, and not doing what YOU want. You talk about reputation but at the mall that's not really even a factor. Girls you approach at the mall most likely don't even know the employees and you're most likely not going to see the same girls there a lot anyway. Besides, I see people from my school at the mall sometimes, but do you think they even care? Nah, most of the time they just say what's up and we talk or I just walk by them like they're anyone else if it's somebody I don't talk to a lot.

Snow Plowman, if you have seen the evolution of ElStud/Viper/all his other names, you will see that he does the exact same thing over and over again, gets rejected, wonders why, and refuses to accept any bit of information someone gives him because he makes excuses.

Yeah, your right I have gotten rejected for phone numbers before, but I couldn't be doing the "same" thing over again because most of the time I don't ask for something that I can get rejected for. I don't make excuses, nor do I refuse to accept advice. It's just that most people on here learned it one way and if you learned it another way, they can't accept your way, because they think you're wrong. For instance, most people here learned that if you don't have some super good opener, you'll fail the set, when that clearly isn't true. Most people here also learned that words are what matter the most, which isn't true either, it's the conveyance. Classic example, Brad Pitt walks up to a girl, uses a super bad opener, but still gets the girl. Geeky, pimple faced, shy guy, walks up to a girl, uses the worlds best opener, gets rejected. I have never "once" told you guys you were wrong, so how can I be NOT accepting your advice? I may have said "That's good, but my opinion is..." but I've never told you you were wrong.

I learn from Snow Plowman and unfortunately many others didn't learn the same way as him. But his way works, he's gotten laid several times. He mostly follows this Tyler Durden guy who's also very successful with women. It's too bad to because Durden's stuff works.

 

[sam3083]

Good stuff elstud. Good to see someone else at my stage, who is actually doing something about there situation. I've never approached a girl in my life. But **** it. Today is a new day. And it is our time.

I'll be posting my results on the bootcamp results thread

 

[aussiegoat55]

Actually what I've found is that the "egg opener" works a lot better.
I actually used this last time I went sarging. I approached a group of girls with a ****y grin on my face and I said "I am taking a survey for a world famous research institute (I used this to demonstrate higher value). What do you like better, scrambled eggs or sunny side up eggs?" As soon as I said this the girls burst into giggles and got all shiney eyed and were laughing and pointing their fingers at me, a surefire sign of attraction. One of them was like "You're so dumb, why are you asking us this?" but obviously she was attracted because girls never actually mean what they say (it's a w0manese thing you'll learn through experience). And then I was like so what's your favorite kind of music? And she was like "Uh.. hip hop" but her feigned disinterest was obviously just a sh1t test so I plowed through and I went straight for the kill! So I asked for the number and I got it! It was real easy to remember since all of the digits were actually the same number. I haven't called yet though since it's only been two days, right now I'm simply pumping up her attraction by creating mystery. The approach went pretty well though it was definitely one of my better ones

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :crackup: Ah...sarcasm, what a beautiful thing

 

[Snow Plowman]

lol sounds like you're motivated el stud :crackup:

This is a bit off topic but...
The way ego is in the context of PU is...

that it is your logical rationalizations of why you should be confident. It's basically you're story of "Who you are" everyone has an ego but you're ego isn't really you.

Snow Plow, you talk about "who cares about your rep?"

Do you want to be known as the guy that goes to the exact same place all the time and who always hits on girls and fails? While YOU might not care about your rep or ego, it DOES play a factor in getting with people, whether females or gaining friends with guys.

The reason why you don't care is because "You know who you are" so it doesn't matter what anyone think. On a deep identity level you know who you are. (This is what RSD is currently teaching)

Seriously ask yourself why do you care about what other people think of you? That is really coming from a place of reaction because now you hold yourself back because you don't want people to think bad about you, which is BS. Why? because these people don't dictate who you are. This is why so many guys have certain problems.

Guys won't approach because if they get rejected they think "I suck with women" or something negative, so they are HOPING and going into sets all reactive because they don't want to get rejected. So they watch what they say or do. They go online looking for the perfect lines. All they care about is the validation they girl gives. But Why do you need the validation? Do you not know who you are?

Basically when you're caring what people think, they are basically dictating who you are. Because say you want to do you're "Funky chicken" dance you used to do when you were 5. You won't do it because you think people will think your dumb. You don't want people to know you as the crappy dancer so you don't do the dance. A guy who knows who he is on a identity level will do the dance regardless and wouldn't care whether people liked it or not. That is what you call being "Unreactive".

Unreactive = Higher Value

Women are attracted to high value men. Guys even want to align themselves with high value men.

Do you socialize with the pasty white, pimpled, bowl-haircut having geek that sits in the corner? Or do you mainly socialize with the football jock who was All-State?

Why? Their reputation. Your reputation DOES affect things. Trying to think otherwise is just a way to try and comfort yourself for your failures, just like when you get rejected and say ''well, she was a b*tch anyway."

The reason most people on here don't kino a chick is because they are still afraid. That is not their ego talking, that is their gut feeling. That will change. They just have to keep working at it.

Personally YES I talk to everyone. But the reason why I do that is because I don't jugde people as being high value or not, I'll just talk them. I even have lame friends who I introduce to the cooler friends and they see what it's like. One kid ended up changing his style and actually getting laid (He was a virgin at the time)

Now in general the reason people don't talk to the geek isn't because of his REP, its because Nerds are consider lower value in society. So if someone's "EGO" considers himself a nerd he won't feel as confident as a football player who society would consider "Cool" and so he is more confident.

If Nerdy kid like you described was just confident and knew he was high value and knew he was entitled to everything because he knows who he is. He would be hanging with the cool kids, because being considered a "Nerd" doesn't affect him.

The thing thats funny about REP is that a chick can say any BS but could be sucking you're dik a few minutes later. Guys can give you a label or a REP also but at the end of the day who is improving?

This is why I laugh at the diks who crack on guys approaching but yet they haven't approached any chicks. (I'm talking about hot girls who they will have to approach on the street) Why? because value isn't static, whehter you have a REP or not if you're high value the girl is going to be attracted. If a virsus was going to shut down the world and this Nerd had the expertise to stop it. EVERYONE would consider him high value in that situation, they need that kid and everyone is attracted to him.

So how does this fit into the ego if you think you're a "PUA/DJ/whatver" that is you're ego giving you a story. If a girl rejects you it will shatter you're whole story. Which is termed "Blow to you're ego".

- Guys don't kino because they don't want to get rejected, they don't want to take a blow to there ego.
- Guys hope the interaction goes well because he doesn't want a blow to his ego

You can easily see this by telling a so called cool kid to "Cold Approach". Basically saying wow that girl over there is hot, go talk to her. He will find excuses to not approach. For that brief moment you saw who he really was. Same if you go in a room and told one of you're friends "You don't get any pusvy" or "You get girls?" most likely they will say yes or try to qualify to show you how pimp they are. Which really he just reacted because what you thought about him affected him on a internal level.

That was rather long so I'm going to keep the rest brief

While you shouldn't alter your approaches at school, you really can't do the same thing you do in a mall. "Hey, since you are in a music store, I'm doing a survey about music." Doesn't work. You CAN do other approaches though. Girls from your own classes are the easiest.

Why not? It's just an opener. Of course you aren't going to say "Since I'm in a music store" when you're really not in the store. (Then again it still can work) But really this goes back to the EGO stuff by thinking what you have to say isn't good enough. When really if you ask yourself "Why isn't it?"

Snow Plowman, if you have seen the evolution of ElStud/Viper/all his other names, you will see that he does the exact same thing over and over again, gets rejected, wonders why, and refuses to accept any bit of information someone gives him because he makes excuses.

As for the street/vendor/and peanut thing, you are actually there to buy something...Meanwhile, ElStud is there to get rejected because he uses the exact same lines over and over again, or approaches when he will have a higher rate of failure (talking on phone, store about to close, ect)

There are a TON of different things wrong. Ego isn't one of them.

lol I haven't seen the evolution but I can tell from when I first spoke to him to now he has changed for the better. It wasn't anything earth moving but it was improvement.

He has his sticking points and he will get passed it, right now he is going through his own little process.

It's funny because if guys realized the way you get good is just going out constantly and taking the lumps, face the sticking points, pushing yourself, sticking to it, and overall you will get good.

Guys just don't want to fuk up. If you don't fuk up you never learn. The best frame for that is "all rejectiion is feedback" its just a learning experience. If you're not in the field no matter how many years of PU you study you'll never get good.

Guys got to PUSH the fuking stick and just learn. I got to admit I don't practice as hard as I used too when I first started. But when I first started the first 4 months I PUSHed my ass. I wasn't even looking for success I was just doing it with blind faith.

Before as a freshmen I was consider the wierdo kid. The same exact girl who called me wierd I ended up fuking her. (Almost got a 3some too) I was a lame ass in 9th and beginning of tenth. 11th grade I wasn't as lame as 9th and 10th...I actually had friends:crackup: and my old natural self started coming out. My EGO Story "Because of my friends I can be cool". I have some girl's that I KNOW OMG. (Note - 9th and 10th I always spoke to a girl and in 1-2 mins of knowing them I'd try to # close and they'd laugh:crackup: )

Now 12th grade when I learned about all this. I went HARD, meaning I tried so many different things. I was now considered COOL, but it wasn't because of my friends anymore. It was because I knew who I was. My EGO doesn't play such a big role like it used too and now I was the well known kid. I was the kid every girl wanted too meet in school. But what's funny I took it over board, I was like a celebrity in the school, girls thought I was unattainable, because I felt I didn't need to talk to the girls I didn't know because I had enough women already.

I was on no team, I never joined any clubs, I'm just a regular guy social guy who knows who he is. It was only until I looked behind the techniques and lines that I learned how social dynamics work. I really started learning beyond the techniques because I couldn't say routines. So I basically just found out what was the reason for techniques and I'd come up with my own things as I'm in set.

I realize this is WAYYY off topic to the orignal post and rather LONG

 

[TheVirtualMind]

Yeah Snow, we were in the same boat then. Weird kid in middle/high school at first, then got better until I got to where I am today.

The reason I bash on ElStud so much is because of his old personas and his attitude most of the time. Nothing against him (well, some against him), but there are times he doesn't even seem like he is trying. His "FR'''s blend together because they are all identical looking. He approaches at the mall, asks some weird question, gets rejected, wonders why.

 

[Touchout]

Snow Plowman,

yea, RSD's website is the ****, a lot of good info there which is similar yet much different than the info here.

 

[greenlake]

how come your FR always get atleast 2 pages. :box: geehz el stud. i'm jealous.

hmmm.........DEJA VU anyone?????

 

[jesusrules]

Dude it was alright but I think you can do much better. Instead of the survey thing talk to her regularly(sp)..It will go better and everything. say how are you. and say I have a question ..blah blah. then say some stuff like why are you shopping alone?..say wheres your b/f..stuff like that dude. but thats good you approached. im not dissing you but keep it up. we all f*ck up dont worry about what the chick thought. you wont see her again. take care man.

 

[ElStud]

Yeah Snow, we were in the same boat then. Weird kid in middle/high school at first, then got better until I got to where I am today.

The reason I bash on ElStud so much is because of his old personas and his attitude most of the time. Nothing against him (well, some against him), but there are times he doesn't even seem like he is trying. His "FR'''s blend together because they are all identical looking. He approaches at the mall, asks some weird question, gets rejected, wonders why.

Well of course I'm trying dude. Stupid questions in who's eyes? Plus whether the question is stupid or not really doesn't effect whether she's interested or not. The whole reason I'm not getting success is I'm not conveying myself correctly yet.

And yeah, looking through this years yearbook, I realized something, we don't even have that many hot girls in our school. So finding a girlfriend who doesn't go to my school would actually be better for me.

"I like pie" would in your words, be a stupid opener, but the funny thing is guys have actually opened with that and got the girl in bed because of their frame and how they convey their personality. My frame and how I convey my personality is still weak. Girls can still sense I'm not being my true self, girls can still sense I'm not particurallly a high value guy.

 

[ChapStick]

So I asked for the number and I got it! It was real easy to remember since all of the digits were actually the same number.

Hahahaha, that was hillarious my friend!

That made me smile!

 

[Grand Wizzard Alamar]

"I like pie" would in your words, be a stupid opener, but the funny thing is guys have actually opened with that and got the girl in bed because of their frame and how they convey their personality. My frame and how I convey my personality is still weak. Girls can still sense I'm not being my true self, girls can still sense I'm not particurallly a high value guy.

what?

 

[ElStud]

I'm basically saying a guy with a good frame can open with the dumbest thing and still get laid.

 

[Grand Wizzard Alamar]

no... definitely not

 

[ElStud]

no... definitely not

Uh... not going to argue with you on that one because I know guys who've done it before.

 

[jtrain 289]

yea elstud is right girls are not attracted to your personality it is your sexuality that attracts them girls are entirely sexual creatures so you can act anyway you want as long as your sexual which means acting like a man read the book of pook you will find the truth their girls are entirely molded by their society they copy what the dominant personality portrays which is why girls dont portray how much they want to have sex because society refuses it and who set up society. MEN

 

[jtrain 289]

techniques mean nothing all these techniques do is limit you they only work because it makes you look like a man why try to act like something that you already have that is in your blood anybody that has testosterone and uses it and doesnt try to hide it will have a hard time getting girls off him which is also why girls like jerks. testosterone controls the jerk the man controls his testtosterone.

 

[Grand Wizzard Alamar]

how is saying something stupid the first time you meet a girl going to increase your chances of attracting her?

 

[jtrain 289]

who said it increases it it does nothing but portray your personality your world girls dont care whether yur stupid or smart or cool they just want you to be your ****ing self tney only care about your sexuality you can be the dumbest person in the world they wont care if your sexual women **** dogs and animals i think we have better chances then those things no matter how stupid you think u are

 

[ElStud]

Pick up RSD man, that's basically what Snow Plow's been teaching me. I've said some pretty stupid sh*t to girls and gotten interest previously. Yeah, next time I go to the mall I'm going to try that just saying completely random sh*t to a girl thing.