Grand Wizzard Alamar
Master Don Juan
hahaha!! you think all women would do that?jtrain 289 said:
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
FR: Approached one girl at the mall today.
- Thread starter ElStud
- Start date
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
jtrain 289
Senior Don Juan
if you havent noticed man all women are the same
jtrain 289
Senior Don Juan
their just molded by different environment ane those environments were created by us men so basically if you show her its ok to do so she'll do it
jtrain 289
Senior Don Juan
for me i dont realyy care about my ego because we were or most of us were known as losers be4 so we have nuttin to lose people forget about the past really fast girls give so many chances to us guys
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
jtrain 289
Senior Don Juan
yo elstud ur mad lucky idk everyone always seems to be attracted to ur posts
Grand Wizzard Alamar
Master Don Juan
yeah he needs our help 
Well I'm leaving for the mall right now. Basically going to practice not really using routines, but just saying anything and having fun. Basically, I'm going to try and work on conveying my personality. Maybe even try to see how that just saying random sh*t to girls thing is going to work.
Grand Wizzard Alamar
Master Don Juan
thats a good thing to be doing, but tell us what happens when you say random sh!t.
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Kev07
Master Don Juan
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sorry man, that was horrible to read, i'm glad i didn't have to witness it.
1. too preplanned, it actually seems like you're really taking a survey.
2. dropping the you're hot out of nowhere. so it's kidn of like "first take a poll then you tell me you're hot." it's weird, and it completely gives off the vibe that you're just trying to pick up a girl and preplanned everything.
good effort though, keep it up, it will come to you. My suggestion is just, don't preplan it. if you really need an opener just drop in saying hi with a big smile.
1. too preplanned, it actually seems like you're really taking a survey.
2. dropping the you're hot out of nowhere. so it's kidn of like "first take a poll then you tell me you're hot." it's weird, and it completely gives off the vibe that you're just trying to pick up a girl and preplanned everything.
good effort though, keep it up, it will come to you. My suggestion is just, don't preplan it. if you really need an opener just drop in saying hi with a big smile.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Snow Plowman
Master Don Juan
This is how I think the community fuks up alot. The only thing wrong with most guys is there head issues that they got. All there limiting beliefs, rationalizations, etc.
The opener doesn't mean ****...why? because it's just to start the conversation. The girl doesn't know you and she doesn't know you, so most of the time she'll give that "LOOK" kind of like "WTF, who is this guy, what does he want?" The first few minutes is usually awkward for them.
That is a good thing though because its showing your confident because of all the social pressure. She is becoming attracted. That is why it's always good to go in hard.
If you want in Hard saying "Ruff Ruff, I'm looking for my doggy" it will open, why? because you're plowing through the first few mins. (90/10 rule) Basically your conveying your personality and staying in you own reality. You're unreactive about the whole situation, you have a strong frame.
Now at this time usually you'd throw in some attracted material to stand out, get her hooked, have some fun, and pump buying temperature. Also you're kinoing her.
After your basically just hanging out and talking. SHE IS SEEING YOUR PERSONALITY AND WHO YOU ARE. Meanwhile you're qualifying here and there, escalating throughout the whole interaction, and passing her congruence tests (sh!t tests).
That's basically the tactics part of it. Now on a deeper level. (Where the actual game is being played)
You're basically going in and approaching. You are staying in you're own reality and bringing her into your world. You're doing what you want to do, and saying what you want to say. You're asking her questions that you're ACTUALLY curious about.
The whole interaction is fun, why? Because you're joking around to amuse yourself, because you like creating a positive vibe. (You're not doing this sh!t to get validation or to get a reaction out of her)
Overall you're asserting you're identity. Why? because thats what a girl is focused on. She wants to know who you are. You don't get pvssy by doing all these techniques and tactics, you get pvssy because she was attracted to who you were.
If you're going in like that then alot of you're problems are gone
- You're not worrying about what to say
- You're not trying to get a reaction
- You're not worrying "When should I kisss? When should I ask for the #?" all of that is BS because you do it when you want too. If she pulls back or says no, it doesn't affect you. You keep the interaction going and later on you try again.
- You're not depending on her responses in order to feel in state. You don't need women's validation
Basically when a girl should sense that "You're a high value dominant guy, who is a sexual man and is his Authentic self."
The chicks are attracted too you because you're High value. She senses you're Authentic and cool. You're completly congruent to everything you convey and express. She notices you have great social skills (Hint the tactics)
The woman becomes sexually attracted because of you're Dominance, You're strong frame, your kino, etc.
This all stems from "You're IDENTITY" who you are as a person.
Guys are going in trying to use the best openers and lines when really there conveying that they want the girls validation. Guys are saying C&F because there trying to get her to laugh. If you were doing it for you're on laughter, you'd say you're story without caring if she liked it or not. You'd kino when you choose because that's you're reality, so what if she is a bit uncomfortable, just pullback a bit and try again later.
Guys follow all these techniques and tactics to the heart and that's what messes guys up. Seriously, there are many guys out there who've learned this and would only do one type of opener because he believes thats the only thing possible to open with. He does a big routine stack because he feels if he actually shows his real personality, he'd be judged and as a result it would heart his feelings.
I really found out this realization when I gamed this one particular chick. She thought of me as high value, I was dominant, unreactive, etc. At times I wouldn't speak to her, instead I'd speak to a friend, and she'd sit and listen to the whole conversation as if I was reading a great storybook. Everytime I was done talking to my friends she'd always kino me and want to talk to me more. It was fascinating because at that time I didn't use much techniques, unless I really wanted to laugh, then I'd do dumb stuff like marrying her or making her my bodyguard, or some sexual inneundo by telling her I'll pull down my pants and show her my dik. All these stuff was never from a position where "I want a reaction to these things"
If most guys would just go out in the field and really express and convey there personality they would be way better than actually trying to study every line.
Now don't get me wrong techniques are useful, because it gives you a structure to get women and makes you socially savy. (Example - You want to play around with her so you do all sorts of Push/Pull and trying to play hard to get) But guys aren't looking at the real purpose of the techniques.
Why do you do C&F? Why do you do cold reads? Why do you qualify? So longs you understand what the purpose of these things are, then you can just use them whenever you want to and also it will make you very calibrated as you practice. Which the end result would make you very social savy.
The opener doesn't mean ****...why? because it's just to start the conversation. The girl doesn't know you and she doesn't know you, so most of the time she'll give that "LOOK" kind of like "WTF, who is this guy, what does he want?" The first few minutes is usually awkward for them.
That is a good thing though because its showing your confident because of all the social pressure. She is becoming attracted. That is why it's always good to go in hard.
If you want in Hard saying "Ruff Ruff, I'm looking for my doggy" it will open, why? because you're plowing through the first few mins. (90/10 rule) Basically your conveying your personality and staying in you own reality. You're unreactive about the whole situation, you have a strong frame.
Now at this time usually you'd throw in some attracted material to stand out, get her hooked, have some fun, and pump buying temperature. Also you're kinoing her.
After your basically just hanging out and talking. SHE IS SEEING YOUR PERSONALITY AND WHO YOU ARE. Meanwhile you're qualifying here and there, escalating throughout the whole interaction, and passing her congruence tests (sh!t tests).
That's basically the tactics part of it. Now on a deeper level. (Where the actual game is being played)
You're basically going in and approaching. You are staying in you're own reality and bringing her into your world. You're doing what you want to do, and saying what you want to say. You're asking her questions that you're ACTUALLY curious about.
The whole interaction is fun, why? Because you're joking around to amuse yourself, because you like creating a positive vibe. (You're not doing this sh!t to get validation or to get a reaction out of her)
Overall you're asserting you're identity. Why? because thats what a girl is focused on. She wants to know who you are. You don't get pvssy by doing all these techniques and tactics, you get pvssy because she was attracted to who you were.
If you're going in like that then alot of you're problems are gone
- You're not worrying about what to say
- You're not trying to get a reaction
- You're not worrying "When should I kisss? When should I ask for the #?" all of that is BS because you do it when you want too. If she pulls back or says no, it doesn't affect you. You keep the interaction going and later on you try again.
- You're not depending on her responses in order to feel in state. You don't need women's validation
Basically when a girl should sense that "You're a high value dominant guy, who is a sexual man and is his Authentic self."
The chicks are attracted too you because you're High value. She senses you're Authentic and cool. You're completly congruent to everything you convey and express. She notices you have great social skills (Hint the tactics)
The woman becomes sexually attracted because of you're Dominance, You're strong frame, your kino, etc.
This all stems from "You're IDENTITY" who you are as a person.
Guys are going in trying to use the best openers and lines when really there conveying that they want the girls validation. Guys are saying C&F because there trying to get her to laugh. If you were doing it for you're on laughter, you'd say you're story without caring if she liked it or not. You'd kino when you choose because that's you're reality, so what if she is a bit uncomfortable, just pullback a bit and try again later.
Guys follow all these techniques and tactics to the heart and that's what messes guys up. Seriously, there are many guys out there who've learned this and would only do one type of opener because he believes thats the only thing possible to open with. He does a big routine stack because he feels if he actually shows his real personality, he'd be judged and as a result it would heart his feelings.
I really found out this realization when I gamed this one particular chick. She thought of me as high value, I was dominant, unreactive, etc. At times I wouldn't speak to her, instead I'd speak to a friend, and she'd sit and listen to the whole conversation as if I was reading a great storybook. Everytime I was done talking to my friends she'd always kino me and want to talk to me more. It was fascinating because at that time I didn't use much techniques, unless I really wanted to laugh, then I'd do dumb stuff like marrying her or making her my bodyguard, or some sexual inneundo by telling her I'll pull down my pants and show her my dik. All these stuff was never from a position where "I want a reaction to these things"
If most guys would just go out in the field and really express and convey there personality they would be way better than actually trying to study every line.
Now don't get me wrong techniques are useful, because it gives you a structure to get women and makes you socially savy. (Example - You want to play around with her so you do all sorts of Push/Pull and trying to play hard to get) But guys aren't looking at the real purpose of the techniques.
Why do you do C&F? Why do you do cold reads? Why do you qualify? So longs you understand what the purpose of these things are, then you can just use them whenever you want to and also it will make you very calibrated as you practice. Which the end result would make you very social savy.
jtrain 289
Senior Don Juan
lol i guess its his username very original
Grand Wizzard Alamar
Master Don Juan
that whole post couldn't be better.. nice one lol
pay attention to this though:
do things how YOU feel comfortable doing them, and if things aren't going right for you, then they probably won't ever be.. you can still work on this though by figuring out what natural aspects of yousrelf you have to modify (not change).
pay attention to this though:
you have to keep yourself natural, and instead of trying to be something else, you want to be trying to imrpove yourself to something better by gathering new ideas from within yourself.Snow Plowman said:
do things how YOU feel comfortable doing them, and if things aren't going right for you, then they probably won't ever be.. you can still work on this though by figuring out what natural aspects of yousrelf you have to modify (not change).
jtrain 289
Senior Don Juan
Finally u understand great wizzard alamar and about what you said to me on the other posts about trying to be mean and tough i was trying man thats just what Iam. anyone could have seen that Ganji was trying to disrespect me by acting where i was from so i just put him in his place and i would do it again i dont regret it one bit .
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.