al77
Master Don Juan
For those of you who use online dating: when do you ask her for her phone number\IM chat\date?
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I've always been an advocate on skipping the #close and going straight to the date. If she's interested, you'll have her number by the end of the date.Originally posted by gixxer
...Lately, I've been going right from email to date - without the phone call. Usually I frame it as "I'm doing XYZ, would you like to go with me." This is only if I have high IL in her and think she'll be fun AND I've seen a good enough assortment of pics that I can be pretty sure she's attractive to me.
Francisco,Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
Once mutual rapport and interest level is established, not before.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
I'll say it again, you need to qualify her. If you enjoy talkative, outgoing women and she's the type that enjoys watching Jell-O melt in the summer sun, NEXT HER! It's just that simple.Originally posted by al77
Francisco,
This is a golden rule!![]()
Question: With quite a lot of average Janes I could not establish enough rapport at all... they seem interested, write back, share thoughts.....but they seem do not have a sense of humor of any kind. I am puzzled... what to do? just next them since they lack of one of the key ingredient right away?
I am in relatively rural/suburb area, so citizens of large cities may not have this issue at all...
I'm hard-wired to pursue only women who really interest me.just stop pursuing women that don't interest you.
Yes, once you have a little raport (usually 1 positive email back is enough depending on the personality of the girl), I have had 100% success with skipping right to asking for a date. I usually say something to the effect of 'Why don't we meet to see if there is any chemistry. It's so difficult to really get someone's personality from email and IM.'I've always been an advocate on skipping the #close and going straight to the date.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
I'll say it again, you need to qualify her. If you enjoy talkative, outgoing women and she's the type that enjoys watching Jell-O melt in the summer sun, NEXT HER! It's just that simple.
No one ever said that you have to be attracted to every woman that you have any type of interaction. Stop feeling that you have to draw out specific qualities out of every woman you meet. Trust me, less trouble is had from women who are comfortable to show their true nature. Be it good or bad, you will never need to waste time wondering about trivial things about them.
I said it before that until you become specific about the type of women that interest you (and adhere to those specifications), you will waste time with women are less than what excites you. It's not really difficult guys, just stop pursuing women that don't interest you.
What would make it hard to be natural? It's difficult to switch between modes of dj and non-dj more so. One can still interact with women they're not interested in, they just don't need to close them.Originally posted by chronic
Agreed. It took me while to get this one. It's hard to be natural and uncontrived when you don't really have interest in a girl. Never settle.
Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
What would make it hard to be natural? It's difficult to switch between modes of dj and non-dj more so. One can still interact with women they're not interested in, they just don't need to close them.
Here's an example, you're at a club or party talking to a group of women. There's one or two that you are interested in and one or two that you're not.Originally posted by chronic
Yeah but why would I want to interact with a woman that bores me? My natural reaction would be not to interact with her at all. There are enough women around that I should not have to waste time on women who don't interest me.
So are you saying it's kind of like networking? One person may not be of much help to you but he/she may have a friend who may be able to benefit you. Good point.Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
Here's an example, you're at a club or party talking to a group of women. There's one or two that you are interested in and one or two that you're not.
Would you selectively interact with only the one or two that interest you? Would you ignore the others? Would this possibly impact the first two's perception of you?
Just something to consider.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Actually, I wasn't going in that direction but you do bring up a good point about networking. Actually it does feed into where I was going.Originally posted by chronic
So are you saying it's kind of like networking? One person may not be of much help to you but he/she may have a friend who may be able to benefit you. Good point.
I generally have a tough time spending time with people I don't like but I think I'm going to try being a little more open from now on. I have probably closed a lot of doors for myself without even knowing it.
Please elaborate. I don't understand.Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
However consider that you are adjusting your authentic self because of these people you do not click with. You are cheating yourself because of some other person, you are relinquishing your control of who who are.
Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
Let's say that you are charismatic with some people and aloof and uninterested with others. Now what if these people share the same circles? Some would describe you as outgoing and friendly, others may say that you are unfriendly and a loner. There you have incongruence, the thing that keeps one from being authentic.