"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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first meeting from net... pay?

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in a couple days i'm going to meet up with this chick that i met over the net. we're just going to lunch and then to this 4-story tall bookstore. we've emailed quite a few times and talked on the phone once.

should i offer to pay for the lunch? i'm leaning towards splitting the bill....

thanks guys!
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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all the other girls i have dated are genuinely nice and they activel offer to split or accept my request to split the bill, but what if the girl is mean and cheap and decline the split? what precedures should i take?
 

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Originally posted by Lost In the Seas
all the other girls i have dated are genuinely nice and they activel offer to split or accept my request to split the bill, but what if the girl is mean and cheap and decline the split? what precedures should i take?
If she's stubborn, just pay it and be on your merry way... without her. :D
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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The general answer to this is to pay for yourself only. That's my normal way of doing it. However, if you feel you need to pay, make sure (1) you don't make a big presentation out of it, do it very non-chalantly, as though it doesn't mean anything, just a philanthropic gesture and/or (2) you tell her she can get you next time. If you don't do these things, there may be the problem of it coming off as a bit manipulative. The last thing you want is some girl you just met reading into it, which she will undoubtedly do, since she IS female.

Last time I went out with a girl who expected me to pay on the first date I never called her again. Sometimes it's hard to not pay when she just sits there waiting for it because if you guys planned on doing something afterwards, you will either create this tense awkwardness that will spoil your evening, or you'll have to insist she pays and cut off the evening right then and there. Sometimes for the sake of you enjoying the rest of your night, you just go ahead and pay, have some fun doing whatever you want, and never call her again.
 

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be the man and pay.. gauge her reaction to you taking control. You want to make sure she is the type of girl that admires a provider.
 

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Why would you take a woman you don't even know to lunch? You have no idea if the two of you are even going to have a second date. If you would have kept it simple and just met for coffee you would have been able to determine if she's even worth the time and effort of a second date and not have to worry about who pays. :rolleyes:
 

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Francisco, do we have to go through this EVERY FVCKING TIME with these guys?! How hard is it to get in your head that you split the bill, ESPECIALLY the first dates and ESPECIALLY If you met her off some intrnet site (why the hell you'd do it is beyond me... )

Fran and me are going to start robbing you fools, it seem like you got too much money to spare...:trouble:
 

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Originally posted by Oxide
Francisco, do we have to go through this EVERY FVCKING TIME with these guys?! How hard is it to get in your head that you split the bill, ESPECIALLY the first dates and ESPECIALLY If you met her off some intrnet site (why the hell you'd do it is beyond me... )

Fran and me are going to start robbing you fools, it seem like you got too much money to spare...:trouble:
Yeah, maybe that'll teach them. .... Latest woman I met online brought me a bottle of wine, I didn't give her squat. I don't know why guys choose to date women that expect the guy to always pay.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Well.... since you're in this position, If you think it's too late to clearly imply you believe it should be a dutch thing, call her on it when the bill arrives. You're getting together to get to know each other, so get to know her. Curiously ask her what kind of girl she is on the issue.
 

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lunch and a bookstore? from a netslut?

How about you just tell her to meet you behind walmart with her std test results.
 

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If you ask someone out with you, you should pay. However, never ever ever buy girls you are dating gifts; it's the kiss of death!
 

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Originally posted by tristan22
If you ask someone out with you, you should pay. ...
I see the problem with you guys; you don't know how to get a girl to go out with you without[/i] inferring that you will pay.

AFC:"Hey, if you agree to be seen in public with me, I'll buy you food!"
HB:"Ummm OK, I have plans tonight but I'll meet you for lunch."
(If I'm lucky, after lunch he'll ask me to go to a movie with him. I'd still have time to ditch him afterward and go clubbing to find a DJ!)

Hope you guys have good paying jobs. You're going to drop a pretty penny for a while whenever you get a date.
 

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It probably depends somewhat on your financial situation. I usually pay, but if she wanted to pay half or all of it that's OK too.
I like to be a little generous to others without being concerned about whether there's a "payback" or not.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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It's always dangerous to pay, because as I stated before, it's HOW you do it, not WHETHER you do it that determines whether it was a bad move on your part. Nonchalantness is the key.
 

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Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
AFC:"Hey, if you agree to be seen in public with me, I'll buy you food!"
HB:"Ummm OK, I have plans tonight but I'll meet you for lunch."
(If I'm lucky, after lunch he'll ask me to go to a movie with him. I'd still have time to ditch him afterward and go clubbing to find a DJ!)/B]



Francisco your example illustrates perfectly what the mindset of a girl is who hardly even knows you. This is what HB's think 99% of the time when a chump she doesn't know offers to pay and buy her food. I cringe when I read it because its true. It should make everyone mad when they read this and stop throwing money and feed those pigeons because doing that does not raise interest level but only fills their stomach and ego :cuss:

Actually its better for the DJ out there for other guys to feed their gf's, drive them around, listen to their problems and in the end of the day all the DJ has to do is fvck her. Everything else is already supplicated by the AFC. By feeding her and doing what is above you make life much easier for other guys (You don't know of) to fvck her.
 
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