"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Female Friends? What would you guys suggest I do in this situation?

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This just reeks of the low value orbiter mindset. You are trying to sneak your way into their panties. You come up with all of these excuses and rationalizations: I need friends, everyone's leaving me, it looks bad if I don't have hot female friends, blah blah blah. This is the typical weasely, passive-aggressive, dishonest way of trying to get laid. These guys think if they just "hang around," she'll "slip up" by getting super drunk or otherwise drop her guard and you'll get laid. Guys invest months, even years with this strategy until they give up with nothing to show for it.

Be honest with yourself and save yourself a lot of time and an enormous amount of frustration. Just be straight up with them and go for actual dates (hanging out 1 on 1). If she's down great, if not, you've just saved yourself dozens, hundreds or thousands of hours waiting for her to slip up so you can get laid.

Even if she does slip up and gets drunk while you're waiting hanging out with her one on one at a party, you are just begging for a date rape charge.



Yeah, exactly as I stated: you are lying to yourself and to us. You claim you are ok just being friends with attractive women, yet you say you want to fvck them. Obviously. If you want to fvck them, you're NOT ok just being friends with them. That's why you want to hang with them as "friends." You're friendly enough to be trusted but you're waiting for your chance when she's drunk or high or otherwise compromised when the bar closes or in the wee hours of a party.

If you were actually good looking, you wouldn't have to resort to these sneaky orbiter, take advantage of her when she's wasted game.
I would fvck them but I want a social circle more. If I don't have one I'll have like no friends. That is my number one concern. I'd rather have friends and then cold approach to meet new bytches
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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