"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Feild Report: Afternoon coffee date...

grayclif

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I isually use OLD and sometimes cold approach to get numbets then i get conversations started via text. Normally I take them out on early evening. Today i went on a coffee date. This one I've found online, she's a 35 yo career oriented divorced home owner with no kids. Says she married in 2001, separated in 2002 and legally divorced in 2009. So... she's been riding the carousel since 2002ish.

She's very well put together. Dressed well and obviously image concious. HB6.5/7. You can tell she's very image concious. But she was well spoken, somewhat educated. Not an exerciser (and looked a little soft in some areas).

The coffee date was a furst time for but it worked. When i asked her out I asked to go dutch. She later told me during the date that she was slightly taken aback by my dutch request but she went along anyway. Nobody ever asked her on a Dutch date before and she just had to see what this guy was about. I mentioned during my chat that I was debt free and she said she defiantly wasn't. I said homeownership is acceptable debt but she hung her head and said there was more.

Asked me if I wanted marriage and kids and I gave my usual answer that Im not opposed to either while staring deeply into their eyes. She said she definitly wants these things. (I wanted to ask her about the Wall in a PC way but decided against it).

Conversatiin was free and easy. I sat across the table from her cause that's how it was setup. I think next time I'd sit at a round table so I can scoot closer or find a park bench elsewhere in the mall. She did reach across the table to touch me a few times. If I could kino more I know this date would have gone better.

We cheek kissed after I walked her to her car and I told her I'd like to stay in touch. She said definetly. Normally after I a date I get a home safe / great time text. But since a day date I know it's not expected.

If she checks in I'll converse otherwise I'll wait a few days to setup another date. This time for early evening. If you guys have any insight I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Was that a date or a job interview? Don't be offended, but you sound boring as hell. All of the money-related things you were talking about with her are attraction-killers.
 

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Damn, ya'll talk about some deep stuff on a first date. Debt, kids, marriage.
 

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Mate I m working on the same thing. Alternating the push pull with taking them into their emotions. My problem is I m a naturally entertaining guy so I struggle with aloofness and making them invest in the convo. Few thoughts that might help. Guys ll probably beat me for repping a PUA but due credit I found Bobby Rio s stuff useful. I d suggest skimming the PDFs as the DVDs r too drawn out.
 

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Of course she want stay in touch.Just re-read your original post. You are , my friend, every post wall woman dream. No debets (or major debts) and no kids. What a dream. Pump and dumb and use a condom.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Coffee dates are great. Just make sure to sit close for kino....what was that sugar tits? I can't hear you. IMA havta come sit by you so I can hear....OK bb? Your thigh is soft!
 

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She's looking for a provider. Fine if it's OK with you. Shouldn't there be more focus on fun during the date? Maybe there was but you didn't mention it.
Me, I'm just a romantic guy. I never mention anything about money and not even my job if she doesn't ask. I've also done some rather impressive stuff in the past which I don't mention.

My salary is easily enough for a 2 person household, but I don't want her to know. I want a woman to fall in love with me without any of that.
 

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Dutch for a coffee date? Lol.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Umm...OK here goes:

1) Stop scheduling afternoon coffee dates. They are:
a) A waste of time
b) Offer no chance of escalation
c) Boring as hell​

2) Are you on a date or a job interview? WTF is with the "I want to know everything about you" type of questions?

3) "Cheek" kisses are weak. Either go for a real kiss or don't. Again, this goes back to #1---alcohol helps out a lot with loosening inhibitions

4) Hopefully you aren't asking women to send you "I got home safe" texts. That sh!t is lame as fvck. Let 9 of the other 10 dudes she dates do that type of stuff. Pretending you give a fvck about a woman you just met is retarded.

5) You are that cheap you can't pay for a coffee? Wow...speechless. This sounds like the sh!t guys who are new to this stuff do because they read about it somewhere but have no context of how to apply it properly, so they do it in completely wrong situations. This is one of those situations, btw.

6) If you set up another date, make sure it includes alcohol, and escalate. No beating around the bush. No pretending you are trying to be her chaperone. Kiss her--on the lips within the first 20 minutes of the date and then continue to escalate from there. While you are kissing her, take her hand and put it on your c0ck. Women love the confidence it takes for a man to do that.
 

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Coffee dates are great. Just make sure to sit close for kino....what was that sugar tits? I can't hear you. IMA havta come sit by you so I can hear....OK bb? Your thigh is soft!
According to who? Coffee dates suck for anything other than talking. The odds of fvcking a chick on a coffee date versus fvcking on a date involving drinks/alcohol at night are extremely low.

Going into a date you always have to assume you are only going to get one shot at banging a chick, why would you go for the low percentage play?

Counter-productive.
 

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Umm...OK here goes:

1) Stop scheduling afternoon coffee dates. They are:
a) A waste of time
b) Offer no chance of escalation
c) Boring as hell​

2) Are you on a date or a job interview? WTF is with the "I want to know everything about you" type of questions?

3) "Cheek" kisses are weak. Either go for a real kiss or don't. Again, this goes back to #1---alcohol helps out a lot with loosening inhibitions

4) Hopefully you aren't asking women to send you "I got home safe" texts. That sh!t is lame as fvck. Let 9 of the other 10 dudes she dates do that type of stuff. Pretending you give a fvck about a woman you just met is retarded.

5) You are that cheap you can't pay for a coffee? Wow...speechless. This sounds like the sh!t guys who are new to this stuff do because they read about it somewhere but have no context of how to apply it properly, so they do it in completely wrong situations. This is one of those situations, btw.

6) If you set up another date, make sure it includes alcohol, and escalate. No beating around the bush. No pretending you are trying to be her chaperone. Kiss her--on the lips within the first 20 minutes of the date and then continue to escalate from there. While you are kissing her, take her hand and put it on your c0ck. Women love the confidence it takes for a man to do that.

I appreciate the feedback. It was a grand experiment. We planned to meet at a local Chili's type place for lunch. I suggested dutch just to guage interest and see id she'd agreed, she did.. The bar was closed so we had coffee next door. I paid for the coffees.

I'm fully aware alcohol helps. I went with the coffee thing cause guys on here mention that they do it and I wanted to test it. Simple as that. I won't be doing it again tho.

She wore a weave and I hate weaves so there was no chance of a second date.
 

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According to who? Coffee dates suck for anything other than talking. The odds of fvcking a chick on a coffee date versus fvcking on a date involving drinks/alcohol at night are extremely low.

Going into a date you always have to assume you are only going to get one shot at banging a chick, why would you go for the low percentage play?

Counter-productive.
You are missinfotmed. I have tremendousesuccesswithbcogfee fstrd.I scrrw 9 out of ten of them. Very good fate have to be top of game. I prefer tjem.
 

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According to who? Coffee dates suck for anything other than talking. The odds of fvcking a chick on a coffee date versus fvcking on a date involving drinks/alcohol at night are extremely low.

Going into a date you always have to assume you are only going to get one shot at banging a chick, why would you go for the low percentage play?

Counter-productive.
I don't DRI k and have about a 90 % success Raye. It works for me.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I think both could work. if you ask a girl out for drinks that's pretty much code for getting nasty so there's a bit of pre selection going on . and if you have the confidence to kino at a coffee shop where it's not common that's going to be huge.
 

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I think both could work. if you ask a girl out for drinks that's pretty much code for getting nasty so there's a bit of pre selection going on . and if you have the confidence to kino at a coffee shop where it's not common that's going to be huge.
I know. It just feels kind of creepy meeting someone online, exchanging a few texts then feeling them up midday in some coffee shop. Doesn't matter anyway no more midday coffee dates for me.
 

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I've taken afternoon dates to a winery before. It's a socially acceptable way to drink during the day. Then we go make out on an abandoned bridge.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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