"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Abcd

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I haven't had to come here in a while because I usually just play the numbers game these days and don't concentrate on any one girl. But this one's an HB9.5 and a cool person, so I think it's worth my time to type for a minute.

I'm a sophomore in college, met this girl last week at the end of a frat/sorority exchange. Got her number, she asks me if I'm too drunk to remember to call her (she's sober), I'm thinking why would you give a ****, you're so hot.

Call her up this Thursday and ask her out for a Saturday night concert. Surprisingly she says she's free and that would be cool. I tell her I'll call her Sat. night for logistics.

Call up tonight, no answer. Call 10 minutes later, leave a message. She calls back 30 min. later, gives me a BS excuse, her roommate has boyfriend troubles so she's got to stay in.

Tells me she's going out with some people Thursday night, "could we do something after? I give her a "ummmm yeah maybe I'll be busy... " she's like "yeah cuz I want to do something with you" not too enthusastically. I'm like "what are you doing on thursday exactly?" It's kindof unclear whether I'm invited out with her and her friends or to go out with her alone afterwards. I'm iffy, maybe I'd be up for something. She says she'll call me Thursday.

Now, almost positive the friend with probs. bit is classic cliched BS to get out of a date. I'm also almost positive that this girl is iffy. Thing is, she's a beautiful engineering major in a kinda ****ty rep. sorority, she could (10% chance) just be shy, not used to hanging out with guys alone. Or something, you know, there's always some crazy explanation for this **** that would be in a movie or whatnot. Anyhow, I get the feeling she's actually going to call me on Thursday, and I get the feeling I'm going to be invited out with her friends, even if she wants to chill with me alone afterwards.

I decline this right? Perhaps just say frankly, "I dunno I don't want to hang out with your friends I want to hang out with you, coffee after?"

How do I play that phone call?
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

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Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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DJDamage

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Honest opinion right?

She used a bad excuse to get out of a date with you. NOT GOOD

She wants you to go out with her friends? bad idea. Never accept a group date because its not really a date, it takes only two to tango.

Quote:
"she could (10% chance) just be shy, not used to hanging out with guys alone. Or something, you know, there's always some crazy explanation for this **** that would be in a movie or whatnot"

hmmm she could also be lying on top of a guy at this very moment, but you see her as a shy innocent angel (don't you know that the quiet and innocent are not so quiet and innocent?)

If she calls, tell her you are buzy, that you have a friend in trouble, when she asks you what trouble , say : she is trying very hard not to lose her virginity and I will be there trying to help her out! maybe all three of us go out together next week, I will give you a call OK?! buh-bye.
 

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Yup

Anybody have some real advice on how to take the phone call? I know it's a long shot, just indulge me. I mean I still have to do something, I can't just hang up on her, and there is always some chance no matter how small that she's for real.

I'll be waiting for the replies now, since I got the shaft tonight. But if you want to be taken seriously, please, at least wait until the early AM to rush in your responses :) I want to believe that there's somebody on this board who's cooler than me...
 

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i dont agree

I dont know why but I think she is interested personally. Especially when she says she would like to do something with YOU afterwards.

I reckon you should just go along with what she wants and then get her alone afterward, as she promised. Hey, tell me if it works out right? I have a good sixth sense for other people, better than for myself. My gut feel is that she is actually interested dude.
 

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Never got much input on this. Anybody want to chip in?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I'd say it's worth persuing if you just want to get layed but i doubt she'd make a good gf.
 

golf299

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the key here is the counter-offer. if she did not want to see you, she would never counter-offer.

i think your plan on how to deal with the phone call is great...just go with it.

proceed as if she's interested until she tells you otherwise.
 

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sneak into her room and steal her underwear, and later sell them online (don't forget to check the hamper). I think you should just see what happens and not stress to much on this one chick and look for others.
 

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You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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