"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Fear of approaching girls hanging out with other guys.

ElStud

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I'm scared of going up to girls with other guys, why? I don't know, I guess it's because I'm afraid of what the other dudes will say if I mess up, insecure in my own game I guess. So how I can get over this fear? Should I really be scared of this?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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ElStud said:
I'm scared of going up to girls with other guys, why? I don't know, I guess it's because I'm afraid of what the other dudes will say if I mess up, insecure in my own game I guess. So how I can get over this fear? Should I really be scared of this?
No. You should really never ever ask that question, "Should I be scared?" I don't care if you're at the edge of a 1000 ft. cliff, never be scared. If the guys give you a bad reaction, laugh at them, or treat Them like girls, and if they want to fight well then you have every right to use bottles, knives, or cue balls whatever in a 3v1 etc so have at it. No fvckin guy is gonna step on my feet or keep me from where I wanta go.
 

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Hey man, its only natural to be a bit intimidated by it, even i am.

But the reality is that the worst that'll happen is: "Hey man...thats my girl" if its his girl. Thats it. A guy aint gonna start a fight or anything, as u aren't kissing her or anything. And even with that, most guys won't prolly try to outgame u or anything if u show ur confident and are self assured. :) Better yet, that same guy prolly didn't do what u can do.
 
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Approach tactic: ASK how they all know each other - are they related? same job? is this some sort of club? etc.... just ask questions about the relationship of the group, or learn some group openers.
 

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Luke Skywalker said:
Approach tactic: ASK how they all know each other - are they related? same job? is this some sort of club? etc.... just ask questions about the relationship of the group, or learn some group openers.
As an approach? No way!

Mate, you don't approach with that question, you ask that question just before you qualify her.

Seriously, this is really bad advice, don't listen.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Lust, I need to agree with Luke on this one - I believe that is one of the openers David Deangalo has recommended - and it works!
By establishing relationships at the beginning of a conversation, it reduces comments such as "She is my girlfriend" from coming up, you know who to spend your time with, and who to avoid.
 

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Hey ElStud, I posted on the same subject yesterday in my thread (or well I mentioned this problem). I think you have to gradually build your way up. Like with the saying "hello/hi" thing I had to start with senior citizens and work my way up to girls&women so-to-speak. Right now I'm only really "practicing" on chicks standing there alone or maybe with another chick, as it's the easiest option. Over time I'll want to learn to open girls standing in a clique, too, etc. but if you have approaching anxiety or something like that it's obviously easier to approach girls who are alone at first and move your way up.

I think everywomanshero said something about the cornerstone of cognitive behavioral therapy being building your way up and that most studies show, that people in such a situation who flood themselves have rather poor success rates, which is why gradually building your way up is your best bet. So well Im not gonna worry about that too much before Im comfortable approaching girls who are by themselves!
 

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GamePlan said:
Hey ElStud, I posted on the same subject yesterday in my thread (or well I mentioned this problem). I think you have to gradually build your way up. Like with the saying "hello/hi" thing I had to start with senior citizens and work my way up to girls&women so-to-speak. Right now I'm only really "practicing" on chicks standing there alone or maybe with another chick, as it's the easiest option. Over time I'll want to learn to open girls standing in a clique, too, etc. but if you have approaching anxiety or something like that it's obviously easier to approach girls who are alone at first and move your way up.

I think everywomanshero said something about the cornerstone of cognitive behavioral therapy being building your way up and that most studies show, that people in such a situation who flood themselves have rather poor success rates, which is why gradually building your way up is your best bet. So well Im not gonna worry about that too much before Im comfortable approaching girls who are by themselves!
Uh... don't know if you've following me but I'm way beyond the "Hello/hi" thing and I've been approaching chicks for a while, sometimes getting interest. I've approached girls in groups of girls before it's just girls in a group of guys or one girl surrounded by several guys that scares me.
 
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