"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Fascinating contradiction: shy but flashy

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I am married in my 40s and enjoy a small harem on the side. She is married in her 30s and she dresses unambiguously sexually in a way that must get her a lot of attention. At the same time, she is the pinnacle of shyness. Her eye contact to my direction runs the gamit of short looks, very long looks to avoidance. In all cases, she looks down when she sees me. I asked her out directly where I got a sharp angry rebuke, followed however by more signs of marked shyness rather than indifference.

What do you make of her? My plan is to add her to my life as a full scale girlfriend, like other married women in my harem.

Especially I never before came across a combination of extreme shyness with attention getting (though classy) attire.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Why are you trying to screw up someone's marriage? You want multiple wpmen? Get a divorce and date single women.
 
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Shrugging my shoulders. I have adventures with married women with no moral qualms. My longest standing is a few years and continues to add fun and meaning to life.
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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meinelaster said:
Ignored, too. Shaking head.

For the non moralistic adults here, I look for insights into a personality that is at once shy and flashy.
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We may game women but most on here have some morals. Don't f uck up another mans marriage is one. I'm done..
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Good. The sooner the morality police has finished with their indignation, adults can chime in on the actual topic.
 
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I don't see how you can make someone a "full time girlfriend" when you are spinning other plates AND are married. Sounds like definitively part time to me.
 
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Dear Meinelaster,
I don't comment on morality,who am I to judge?...but on the seeming contradiction of a woman who averts her gaze but deliberately wears seductive gear,she will be easy meat...Probably not the sex that she needs but the assurance that she is lovely and desirable...So just a comment on how alluring her dress is and her clothes sense and you will open her up...easy on the ****y and funny though!
 
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zekko said:
I don't see how you can make someone a "full time girlfriend" when you are spinning other plates AND are married. Sounds like definitively part time to me.
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You misread. I said "full scale". Meaning on par with my wife on bringing meaning to my life with a soul level connection and intimacy. That limits me to three or four women that are chosen carefully.
 
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Scaramouche said:
Probably not the sex that she needs but the assurance that she is lovely and desirable
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Thats one possibility I like. She isn't easy and that's good as I WANT her to ponder the emotional whirlwind of entering an affair. She is warm hearted and that's a must for me. A warm hearted woman is unlikely to turn on you.
 
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Depends on the morality of the area. In my home town, a guy was sniffing around a married woman and was found dead on the beach. Ruled a suicide by the local Sheriff. About 100 miles away, ranchers caught some cattle rustlers. Drug one to death and hung the other one. Sheriff ruled murder/ suicide. Play your own games, but don't come here complaining when your life blows up
 
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