"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Never had a girl do that with me. I would be fine with it. I imagine they would hire a second one to validate the unbelievable things they would learn. My mode has always been just telling the truth, I have had to learn to only tell smaller parts of it and leave some for later. She should tell me that she is doing it because the trails left from that activity could bother me if I don't know who or why. In that context, it is not exactly honest to do it in secret; IMO.
good point
tell upon first contact then...how would I frame it?
"You know what my friend the P.I. said the other day? it was a good joke, let me tell you..."

then right away they know I have a P.I. friend?
going to start a thread
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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good point
tell upon first contact then...how would I frame it?
"You know what my friend the P.I. said the other day? it was a good joke, let me tell you..."

then right away they know I have a P.I. friend?
going to start a thread
for me, just tell me something like.

You: I like you a lot, but had a couple of failed tries where the guy was fake. is it ok with you if I have a PI check you out to ensure your not a fake?
Me: Sure, go ahead.
 

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All that wasted time Back.... I'd rather just drop 5,000 and learn in the first month what would have taken years.
I think that amount is a bit extreme unless you are engaged and marriage is right around the corner IMO.

There are books and videos written by ex CIA/FBI operatives that teach you techniques in identifying lies. You may want to enlighten yourself with these first as a first line of investigation. I think if you mastered these techniques, it could get you most of the way there into revealing truths from them.

Here's some: Examples
 

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Do not tell her you want to be exclusive. Control yourself. You guys get along well, are having sex and things are fine.
It’s imperative SHE brings up exclusivity first.
I sense the neediness building up inside of you, do not manifest this in your interactions with her.
Do it my way, things will workout.
Great advice here OP.

Just keep doing what you're doing. Your job is to have fun when you're with her and fvck her. Keep a little space although it might be hard. Gives a woman time to think about you and miss you, which ultimately makes them crave you more.

Never be the one that brings up a relationship. When she does, dont jump on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich. I even answer that question in a very indirect way.

I've been dating someone for 4 months now. At the 3 month mark she asked me if I was dating anyone else, if I saw a future with her, etc. You want THEM asking these questions.......not you. When you do, you lose frame.

Trust Cola and I on this one.
 

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Great advice here OP.

Just keep doing what you're doing. Your job is to have fun when you're with her and fvck her. Keep a little space although it might be hard. Gives a woman time to think about you and miss you, which ultimately makes them crave you more.

Never be the one that brings up a relationship. When she does, dont jump on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich. I even answer that question in a very indirect way.

I've been dating someone for 4 months now. At the 3 month mark she asked me if I was dating anyone else, if I saw a future with her, etc. You want THEM asking these questions.......not you. When you do, you lose frame.

Trust Cola and I on this one.
Good advice here...especially about not jumping into a relationship just because she asked. If you are a high value male you need to lay down the law with her on what it means to be in a relationship with you so this is where you set the boundaries in your relationship
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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