"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Face or Body?

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I'm curious. What would you rather have in a woman if you had to choose?

a) A really nice face and below average body or,

b)A really nice body and below average face?

We all know that we would like to have an attractive woman (face and body). The obvious answer therefore is a combination of the two. But, let's assume there are no other options, which of the above would you CHOOSE if you had too and why? Forget about personality for the time being. Should get some interesting responses to this question. Let r rip.....
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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For a one time thing I would pick the body. For a relationship I'll pick face and take her to the gym with me lol :D
 

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For ONS, good bod. For longer term, great attitude with a good enough body and the prettiest face I can find.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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at this moment in time all i care about is body. for relationships deffo face
 

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plus usually the hotter chicks cant bone that good cuz they're so used to so many symps bowing down to them that they never feel the need to work at it
 

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That's like asking would you rather have a skinny girl with zits or a fat girl with a clear complection.
 
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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maqnetik said:
im not into "average" anything, let alone sub-par.

:D
Hear ya. I was just saying if you had no other choices and had to take one over the other. As for me, I'd choose the bod.
 

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Body. Face is only a small percentage of the total package.
 

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maqnetik said:
a face is god-given (without make-up) but a body requires work. its a reflection of her character.

:rolleyes:
Not really. I know a girl with the most perfect body in the universe and her face is a 7 at best. She's never worked out a day in her life and eats horribly.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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maqnetik said:
it wont last-- and i can tell the difference between lucky and hard work

:cool:
I think it will last. She just doesn't need to work at it, its just natural. She's 86lbs, and she's never been over 90 in her life. (she's 5'3")
 

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maqnetik said:
it wont last-- and i can tell the difference between lucky and hard work
If anything I'd say that's backwards. Some people are just born slim and pretty, and there's a lot better odds the genetic blessing will last as opposed to hitting the gym.

For the rest of this convo, I and most guys have a threshold that women have to reach, or a series really. She has to be ______ before I'd consider _____. Simple, no magic. If she's cuter that she needs to be, then that's a plus but it just goes in with the other pluses and minuses, like character or fitness.
 

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Tighten_Up said:
I think it will last. She just doesn't need to work at it, its just natural. She's 86lbs, and she's never been over 90 in her life. (she's 5'3")
that doesnt sound attractive at all (no offense).... and how old is she? it takes a while for muscle tone to go flabby from self-abuse and disuse. the hottest girls are high maintennance, dont EVER let them fool you

:crazy:
 

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maqnetik said:
that doesnt sound attractive at all (no offense).... and how old is she? it takes a while for muscle tone to go flabby from self-abuse and disuse. the hottest girls are high maintennance, dont EVER let them fool you

:crazy:
She's 21...and very attractive. She has curves. She has amazing tits and an amazing ass. She has done a lot of work as a model, been in a couple videos, did a tv commercial. Her body is so great that it's easy to ignore her face.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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